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27. Hummingbirds 1/2000s shutter
2 years ago
Use download link for much better quality: VBR 7/10M.

Update 5/25: appended a few more clips with default shutter time. The 1/2000 certainly makes a difference.
Update 4/25/2009: uploaded 2nd Hummingbird video here: vimeo.com/4123378

Shot with Canon HF100. Settings:

- Daylight W/B
- 30p, first 3 clips: Tv 1/2000s (F2.0), rest default
- Manual focus

3rd clip is same as 1st but at 1/5 speed (rendered using Sony Vegas Pro).

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  • Looks like you can - accurately - set manual focus on HF100. From your experience, how easy or quick can you set manual focus? Is the display "big" enough for focus evaluation (as there is no viewfinder)?
  • Lucien Kleijkers 2 years ago
    Some people said it was impossible to do good manual focus. However for whatever reason I didn't have that problem.

    If you're familiar with manual focus on compact Canon digital camera's than the experience is very similar.

    You tap left or right each time to adjust the focus after you switched to manual focus. Each time you will see the image zoomed in on the screen for several seconds.

    It's not perfect since resolution is not high but it worked so far well for me to see when it was sharp.
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  • What about "manual" focusing using the following procedure: Zoom in to maximum tele and position the object to be in focus, let the camera focus using its auto-focus, then lock the focus to manual and zoom back out for the desired composition frame, start shooting. Will the HF100 allow you to lock the focus (determined by auto focus) and keep that setting when you zoom out and reframe for the desired composition?
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  • By the way, it looks to me like the Canon HF100 is a very capable camera. I'm very much inclined towards it. I would probably leave the wide angle lens permanently on the camera. I wonder then if the camera would not become too bulky. I saw a picture in your review of H100 with a wide angle lens and ring (WDH43) and that looked really menacing. Could you post a picture of the HF100 with the WDH37c wide angle lens? Thanks.
  • Lucien Kleijkers 2 years ago
    Here's a HF100/WD-H37C picture (much lighter and smaller):

    byfiles.storage.live.com/y1prRv2FoHMd6RqCTJhqsTqyOH3U-Os_zXtvUH2e8ceRN8C7juZGddLLH4PoJWnb_yMCuLj2LxzsfA

    I only use WD-H43 since I already had that lens but officially it's not recommended by Canon for the HF100.

    Yes you can use auto-focus to get a good focus first. Then switch to manual focus and it will lock from that position. According to HF10/HF100 manual though the lock is lost when you change zoom. I couldn't figure out what this really means. If I choose infinity focus it still seems to be infinity when I zoom. Also in this video I zoomed a little bit fortunately focus was still retained.

    I would wish that it would indicate distance like digital camera's show you but unfortunately it doesn't show you that.

    The HF100 is a capable camcorder if you're willing to learn the manual controls and now and then know when to override these (probably true for most cams)...
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  • Angelo Alberico 2 years ago
    Nice job Lucien!
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  • Prasad RL 2 years ago
    Great idea!
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  • Mjay 2 years ago
    Great clips.
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  • Thx for the pic with the wide angle lens. No I can see the cam and lens in "perspective". Does the 37c lens add much to the weight? Could you still consider the cam leightweight (including battery and lens)?
  • Lucien Kleijkers 2 years ago
    I would say so but that's subjective. You can look up the exact weight of the WD-H37C and the camcorder to get an idea.
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  • Yuning 1 year ago
    This is amazing beautiful! Thx for the footage!
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  • goldentouchfarm plus 1 year ago
    Awesome!
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  • mike evans 1 year ago
    Fantastic video!!! I have recently purchased the HF-100 and have been going through the learning curve. I have been using Vegas Movie Studio 9 and everything seems fine so far. I have only had the chance to shoot indoors and I must say my videos do not look like yours. I am planning on strapping this camera on an RC aircraft this weekend and I am wondering about the 30P setting. Would the footage have been choppy on the hummingbird wings if you would have left the framerate at 60i??

    Thanks again!!
  • Lucien Kleijkers 1 year ago
    Thanks. Most of my settings are default mode (except last video's are all picture effect custom with contrast -1). Also I do change W/B with sunny weather to daylight.

    If I would have used 60i here then you would not have had the sharpness of the wings given the speed. But almost all of my other video's are 60i.

    The HF100 uses rolling shutter and OIS like many HD cams. So you may not get great video if there's lots of shaking like an RC aircraft. Hmm, that aircraft must be big to be able to carry the HF100:-).
    Not sure how much difference 30p and 60i makes in such situation best to test various settings (they may all look wobbly given the rolling shutter). My best guess is to use 30p with high shutter speed (1/1000 or higher).
  • mike evans 1 year ago
    Thanks Lucien, I did get a chance to fly the HF-100 and you were right about the rolling shutter. The footage was unusable. I did research the rolling shutter global shutter topic qutie a bit but I had to see for myself. As you mentioned the sensor does not like high frequency vibes. I have had great luck with CCD (standard def) sensors but I really want to move up a notch to HD. My aircraft is an electric powered custom design that works very well. One thing I have noticed is even though Canon and Sony share the same CMOS type of sensor. The helicoter guys I know of have had better luck with the Sonys over the Canons. However...there are so many variables when it comes to aerial video it is hard to say if each camera was mounted properly. I guess I have more testing to do.

    Thanks again,

    Mike
  • Lucien Kleijkers 1 year ago
    Best is a cheap camcorder with CCD and digital steadyshot. However these are not HD.

    Not sure if Sony HD camcorders do any better. I certainly have seen similar issues there. Also I've seen footage of a HD CCD camcorder and it still wasn't great under these circumstances. I think the digital steadyshot makes quite a difference as well therefore (but all HD have OIS afaik).

    Best bet with HF100 would be to use 30p with fast shutter and then use software to eliminate jerky movements (e.g. mercalli or steadicam). However that is probably still not quite as good as cheap mini-dv camcorder with digital steadyshot.
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  • mike evans 1 year ago
    I agree on the cheap CCD I have been using one for Aerial video for the last yr or so and it does pretty well. I will eventually get the HD to work I feel it is a matter of isolation of the camcorder. Thanks for your feed back and all the info you share it is very helpful. BTW.. here is a clip we shot last week with the cheap CCD jobs. Not HD but pretty entertaining....

    mvqf.com/power/Beast/Things%20we%20do.wmv

    Mike
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  • TKTODD 1 year ago
    Awesome!! Nice job
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  • SteveNunez 1 year ago
    Thanks for posting these clips- us "researchers" absolutely love seeing the footage 1st-hand!
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  • Dominick D. 11 months ago
    Hey why do you guys recommend using a Wide Angle lens on the hf100 at all times? I have an HF11 and wondering if this is necessary because of the narrow viewing plane.
  • Lucien Kleijkers 11 months ago
    Yes it's slightly zoomed in basically. But depends on your recordings. See example here: vimeo.com/855992
  • Dominick D. 11 months ago
    thanks alot! what one would you recommend for my HF11?
  • Lucien Kleijkers 11 months ago
    Canon recommends the WD-H37II. I don't have this lens so can't comment on this but it probably has some CA at full zoom like the WD-H37C. Otherwise fully zoomed out it works fine.
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  • daylyt 7 months ago
    what program did you use to edit this clip!!
  • Lucien Kleijkers 7 months ago
    I used Vegas to edit which offers the slow motion option. However since Vegas doesn't downscale well to 720p I've rendered the output first to 1080i lossless YUV. Then I used tmpgenc Xpress to render to WMVHD 720p.

    See more info here: lucienk.spaces.live.com/blog/cns%21A4AE3FB12A26635%21867.entry
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