Mampir: done-thanks

Thank you!!!!!

Thanks PJ!!! =D

Finally, some sanity in an insane world!

Great stuff PJ! Love your work! :-)

"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom." ~Isaac Asimov

only 638 views? the whole world needs to see this

Thank you Peter.

I've seen the first 25 seconds, and I don't know what this video is about,

you should say on those 25 seconds what your video will probe/say or what is the intention, what you pretend to acomplish

masterpiece! Thank you!

Peter, I am a record producer and can edit the voiceover parts you did to make it sound consistent with the original spoken parts and the space the original presentation was made in.. please get in touch if you would like help with this. I am offering this for free!

Great lecture.

Absolutely fantastic. I support this all the way. Hope we can make it happen soon!

Brilliant lecture, as always.

Hi! I'm a spanish speaker and, of course, I have a lots of friends that speak spanish too. The problem is that they don't speak english so well and I would like to be able to send this video to them, as I did with the others ZM movies. So, could anyone add spanish subtitle on this video, like in the ZM movies?

Thanks a lot!!

This lecture was very well structured and presented. But it doesn't address the much deeper lying causes of the current problems (btw. it's a manmade illusion to build cause and effect relations - that is not possible no matter how scientific the research is. It always ends up in the result of our subjective minds trying to understand the world). The question we should all be asking is: Where does our culture with all its institutions etc. really come from? Is it an expression of our nature (caused by our evolution) or was it always there and we are just the unlucky ones born into this bad environment who are trying to fix things? We shouldn't relate too much on only one part of the answer. This lecture and the whole movement is doing just that and with that risking the danger of not considering other causing effects on human behavior besides the environmental conditioning. For all of you who don't know much about scientific researches of human behavior the theories the movement is representing could be summarized under the name behaviorism. This branch of science is pretty much outdated because scientists recognized that man is not just an empty piece of paper with the environment writing on it to create a manual for how to bahave. With this simplistic view people will make wrong decisions because they aren't able to see the whole image (which is of course always impossible but at least you should try). I hope everybody thinks about it - if science is so relevant for social problems, the movement should pay attention to EVERY field of science otherwise it won't end up in a good way.

I'm only ten minutes into the talk, but this is really fascinating. Maybe we can get a good discussion going about this.

Very Good, very well constructed and inspiring lecture.
Thank you very much.
Now to continue spreading the information.
:)

Just picked up on a potential typo in the graphs in the presentation. 'Summery'...should this be 'summary'? Essential discussion, thanks Peter. Look forward to the Venus project talk in Melbourne in a couple of weeks!

You should use a graph of all possible markers of social pathology and compare it with a graph of how the markers of social _health_ correlate with inequality. As your presentation stands, you can be easily accused of cherry-picking the social parameters based on how clearly they correlate with income inequality. It's not scientifically convincing this way.

Wonderful! The Zetgeist Movement is the most enlightened social movement that has ever existed! Excellent!

How long will it take to this movement become religion? That is, (1) few see a problem and propose a solution, (2) many non-critical thinkers are indoctrinated (often as a kind of “self-alienation”) into the solution’s space, (3) a new order of things, a new Establishment, emerge as the new problem to be debunked by yet another small group —sometimes part of the same original few— of critical thinkers. Perhaps, this inevitably will be the case while the Transition stage. After that, and based on the first Zeitgeist Movement movie, when most of religious thought were replaced by the habits of philosophy in most of the people, then —and only then—people will be improving their beliefs at a constant pace and this movement will be only part of a continuum of healthy World’s resets. But, chances are the current movement becomes yet another manifestation of a Robespierre-like, Reign of Terror, not because the force of the good ideas in it, but because, precisely, the force of the vast majority of its alienated, non-critical, enthusiastic, blind followers. So, to young activists: Want to, really, advocate the ideas behind this movement —or any movement for that matter—? Please educate yourself first in the personal habits of basic philosophy and then contribute thinking critically about its ideas.

great work, thanks

thank you so much mr joseph you truly are a remarkable individual.

i like.. and shared with all my friends.. but no matter how many ppl i get to watch this, and other important films, they say "yeah, awesome we should do something" but then the next day go to work, and continue buying shit....

anyway, great presentation :) i hope real change comes about..

Well done Peter, as always. Less 'doom and gloom', and more fact driven analysis and data. I love that.

The Zeitgeist movement and Venus project appear to have been in motion for a few years now. Any progress on the "cause"? It seems as if all that has been said is mere futile conversation. Will this movement come to fruition only after the economy collapses, the world shrouded in chaos and the planet at the threat of visible destruction will humanity finally emerge with the concept that change is necessary?
I'll be holding all the ideas presented in this video and the ideology of the Zeitgeist movement in mind day to day, however, when facing to this reality, I'm still required to succumb to the "powers that be" and try to "earn" a living. So in the end, this all just appears to be fantastical ideas that needs to take the next step to begin a phase of materializing into the world and in to our conscious reality and begin making a difference before the doomsday preachers get the opportunity to say, "I told you so...".

Jeff: the best thing to do is to join your local chapter. There you can help the movement and stay connected. Another thing you can do, is figure out ways to get off the grid and start becoming less dependent on the system.
Visit the website thezeitgeistmovement.com/

hah. vimeo says "this video cannot be downloaded anymore today"

good job guys!

This is nice. I mostly agree with your problem statement, however I'm a bit skeptical about the top-down (design) approach to "the solution". Agreed, the bottom-up constituency principle of the current "free" market system yields very unfavorable results. However there's no reason to simply conclude this needs to be replaced by an "intelligent" design approach. The self-emergent nature of society can't just be organized away into an objective, rational distribution system.
I think we much rather need to utilize the intersubjective construction of reality (just as the establishment does) to subliminally create the values and incentives that will make people strive for cooperation and a sustainable lifestyle.
This will take time and lots of trust, good will and patience. As this is a process that will naturally span multiple generations, we must strive to (1) conserve the knowledge we have and (2) open that knowledge up for discussion and improvement.
BTW, you guys seem to completely overlook the Open Source community, which is doing just this, right here, right now (however mainly in the field of computer software, where it's relatively easy to accomplish)

great as usual, thanks for fast upload.

Great job peter, if possible in the future, add videos with spanish subs or another lenguages? a lot of persons of differents countrys are really interesed in what you say, but the lenguage is always a barrier,

Please keep doing your amazing work.

Andres.

Can't we all just start yelling in the streets until everyone else starts to listen?

Without a system of democracy through which we can unite against the monsters and for our common will, I doubt any of the fine points you make will ever come to fruition. Let's start real democracy, or they will win.

Any time you get ready to install a system of real democracy into the movement, I have the code for you: MajorityVoice.

Great lecture. I reccomend all zeitgeist fans, michael moore s newest film "capitalism a love story"

@29:00 hahaha!!! We feel the same way you feel Peter(:

I agree with you analogy of a social disease. However, I think it is essential to keep the chemical treatment of the market and the ability to inplement change must be made via the same conduits that we have crated the world to this point. There are many systems that fudametally work but it is correct in analysing that the system is sick. We have to implement treatment in stages and it would be unrealistic to think we can achieve real change by having a complete overhaul of the system without a catostrophic event happening. Change that comes via these catostophies are eveoutionary in nature, and will only evolve based on the level of need for change. We have to balance the medication for this disease that will work much like cancer treatment in that the cure could kill the patient if to much is admistered at the wrong time. There has to be a choice, either the poor achieve access or the rich give up thier resoruce. The cure starts in the most impoversed areas. There has to be an injection of economic resources to the most deprived areas of the economic areas. If this can happen then those who have great resource will be left unaware of the change and the opening of access happens to the poor, in turn it will empower them and thusly uniting the poor to become more dependant on themselves and not having to go to the rich for resources. This will achieve the "Z" concept in which it will create another society within the existing economy. Those who have the wealth write the laws, so it is imperitive that the movement must act as a virus in that it operates as a simple idea or concept but if adequatly populated can destroy the host. Balance is the force of nature and it must be achieved societally in order for our society to continue to exist. The economic system works in the fact that it stimulates competition and if allowed to run correctly, will continue to develope our society as needed. But the system was corrupted in the early part of the last century in which the industrial and military complex's were allowed to manipulated and regulate growth to a select few. Capitalism can work as long as the person with the big idea is allowed access to resources to attempt the success of that idea. The ability to gain access to that resoruce is very marginal and limited to those in the lower class. A living wage has deminished from the middle class and the hope of haveing a stable financial life only exist for a few.

I am truly impressed with this movement and its idea. I would invite more dialogue into implimentation of these concepts and how to achieve these goals based from where we stand today and how we achieve the higher positioning of the proposed social order.

Social Pathology was brilliant. I can't wait for your third film, the work you present never fails to impress me.

I URGE ONLY A FAVOR, someone can at least write down what has been said in the video?, so I can translate more easily and disperse between french and spanish speakers as much as i can,i know that is a very small contribution,but each gear has importance, thanks.

Beautifully said!

I am a strong supporter but have a philosophical question about what I was listening to at the beginning of the first chapter. Good health is established as a common human need. But then the leap is made to the idea that this is automatically a common goal or responsibility. While I personally feel this is the better way to go, I can see certain flavors of libertarians and others who imagine they believe in some kind of individualism complaining that other people are not their responsibility, or believe in social darwinism, etc. While I feel this is wrong on many levels, what is your immediate response to such folks?

this movement gives me hope for a future without debt or slavery as well as a chance for our environment. i am actively trying to get other people in my community involved and aware of its message. i myself dream of a life where i can be free of so called financial responsibilities so i can pusrsue the things that i love. i know that this proposed system is not perfect but i want to point out that the existing sysetem is beyind imperfect and at this point, serves those who have, and not those that really are really in need. isnt it strange that typically those who have the most in this world give the least? lets make everyone equal by eliminating the monetary system.

the 21 trillion dollars needed to fix the GLOBAL energy infrastructure is about the same amount of the recent bailout of wall street et al…

Excellent!
DONT STOP !!!

PLEASEEEE upload this video on dotSUB.com, and transcribe it, so i can translate it to spanish and share this video.

Great, thanks for this Peter. I can tell you put a lot of work into this. Very good lecture.

Isn't is Marshall Sahlins? Not Shalins.

PJ, love it like al your videos. I want to see change starting ASAP. Please guide folks on next actions. We need to change. I'm tired of feeling depressed because this world is sick and no one seems to care much (at leats most of the people I talk to). Most of people just want to go on with their lives and not think that there can be change.

I don't understand how we can be truly happy knowing that all this is going on, that people are dying of hunger and so many things are wrong. We tend to live the day and not care about other things going on. I constantly think about your movies and presentations and always try to find solutions and convince people that change is good and required, but I feel that most of the people really care about their current goals, like getting promoted, buying the new car, dealing with random problems and going to festivals get drunk so they can forget about the problems..

Please provide action for us. We need guidance and we need them soon. I want my 1 year old son to see a better world and not this shit that I don't belive in.

Thanks!!!

Peter, are you a scientist? I don’t want to stick a thorn in your side but you have a lot of nonscientists believing in every word you say. Well, I am a scientist and I’ve followed your movies and lectures for more than a year. I’ve done my own research on your subjects to see if I would draw the same conclusion as yours. No, they didn’t match up 100%. This means I am having difficulty duplicating your results. These people on your blogs would not be so quick to praise your work if they knew what I know – your conclusions are questionable because your observations and research appears to have some errors in it. It would be a lot easier on me if you lectured in the standard scientific lecture format. Also, please stop telling me the conclusions; I can draw my own – thank you. I don’t really expect to hear from you because I know you are busy with lectures and you have no time to keep up on the research – that is a plague to all scientists. However, please make it easy on us who wish to continue Mr. Fresco’s research by lecturing in such a way to make possible for improvement on his theories.

peter joseph!!! you and Jacque Fresco and Roxane Meadows are my greatest inspirations.. you are my idols!!!! its amazing, simple and easy to understand all the aberrations generated by this profit, scarcity and monetary sistem all we humans live and a great proposal: the venus project.. Ill keep myself working to pass on this message... Im from Mexico where its supposed to live the most richest man in the world (even more than Bill Gates, they say): Carlos Slim Helu.. I hope to reach him and convince him to help on the movie and the first city

COFF COFF slave labour COFF COFF

hi Kostas & J. Costello

Would you be able to post on a website somewhere, what your findings are J. Costello, and what research you have undertaken.
Then we the layman can take a look.
Its always better to back up your claims with evidence, as you are aware.

Its easy to sit and throw stones.
And no we dont believe everything he says, we question it, as you have just done.

Plus when he sleeps its hard to understand what he is saying with all us ZM in the same bed...
We are not sheep my friends...

We are looking for change and social awareness...
The current systems dont offer us anything.

If you have better ideas, then publish them please in you Scientific journals...

ZM member - zenmor

Very Interesting point of View. Great Work !! Do you have this presentation with spanish subtitles?
Thank you.

Here are links to the Citigroup memos (original PDFs):

October 16, 2005:

jdeanicite.typepad.com/files/6674234-citigroup-oct-16-2005-plutonomy-report-part-1.pdf

March 5, 2006:

jdeanicite.typepad.com/files/6674229-citigroup-mar-5-2006-plutonomy-report-part-2-1-1.pdf

September 29, 2006:

borsaitaliana.it/bitApp/view.bit?filename=pdf%2F52716.pdf&lang=it&target=StudiDownloadFree

On the October 16, 2005 memo, they refer "In early September we wrote about the (ir)relevance of oil to equities and introduced the idea that the U.S. is a Plutonomy". Has anyone found this early-September 2005 memo?

I finally saw the whole presentation and I am in support of many of the concepts but the solutions need stepping stones to achieve the end goal. There is no accounting for mental or emotional instability in a persons human nature. There are those who want destruction of some sort no matter what resoruces are available to them. Those are the types that are in power now and will always exist to challenge those who seek peace and balance. Without this destructive side of our existance accounted for, it is hard to see the "Z" world ever comming to existance. There is a mental stablilty that must be achieved that i believe can only come about by some major cataclism and the predators of our populations would have to be completly eliminated. That "killer instinct" is what propels our society forward and has inspired and enabled us to develop the world as we know it. There are hundreds of tribes that exist in South America and Africa that still live on the land as thier ancestors have. We have evolved from that existance and the proposal of this movement is a return to that form of existance. I agree we need to maximize our productive capabilities but competition does breed new and creative inovations. The fundamental defect is that the small companies that have the alternative power source and recycle mentality are crushed by the larger infrastruction companies. The way you take any large beast down is to be as small as possible and infect that creatures blood flow. Which means get inside of these large infrastructures and take them out from within. The steps have to be accounted for in a sequence of events that will enable the change to occur. The proposed solution is an idea, but the likely outcome is far from that because several quantitative variables have not been accounted for. The idea of this movement is monumental but doesn't calculate the animal behavior that people will exude at ever step of the process. That behavior cannot be managed with the proposed solutions in thier current state. Believe it or not, just because someone has everything they need dosn't mean they will not commit a crime. Most of your sadistic and serial killers, sex offienders, and thieves have a real mental or emotional disorder that they cannot control. Many of these everyday criminals have and desire a normal existance but hunger for destruction of some sort and i would state that these people exist in very affluent positions in our society because capitolism feeds that hunger and there are so many ways they achieve thier blood lust through legal means. The current structure feeds and rewards the killer instinct and you are looking at generations for the level of reform in a societal mindset. I do agree with most of the goals and the assesment and diagnosis of the problem. I just believe that the end society that is proposed leaves out this very fundamental fabric of animal behavior we inherit instinctivly and the end product must account for all fundamental behaviors.

it´s there a version subtiled to spanish or can i do it ??

From a Marxist point of view this is all so true. I have been a fan of the design from the start, but a lot has to be changed for this to ever get somewhere.

In my field, Political Science, the academic society does not even acknowledge any of this movement as existing and there are deep rooted status-quo reasons for this. Especially the transition strategy is dangerously underdeveloped with the danger that there is no real plan at all.

The communities seem to be lagging behind on growth schedule. Too little people are willing to dedicate their life to these goals. I have been trying for years now to find the start of creating a interdisciplinary team of scientists that want to sacrifice their easygoing-money-and-fame-career for a lobby towards such left-wing transition to a more secure and sustainable world, but run into the problem that anybody who is actually (street)smart and clever enough, is too busy doing almost nothing of substantive value, like Peter also says.

Dear people... you are the only ones that can do it... Talk about this... not on a weekly basis, but on a daily or even hourly basis! This has to be the talk echoing through society. The talk of the street, the talk in the office. Everywhere.
There is still that little part of moral and the longing for community and justice instilled in every human being. And a repressed feel of guilt, sorrow and regret in every heart. Let's exploit these things to the maximum. Else forget it...