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Social Pathology | The Zeitgeist Movement | NYC 2010 ZDAY
-Lecture by Peter Joseph
*Some audio had to be replaced due to static problems.
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  • Mampir 1 year ago
    Hey Peter, please add a copyright statement to the description of the video, so people can know if they are allowed to share it, do public screenings, etc. - like you did in the toolkit page at the ZM website. A Creative Commons license statement will be most appreciated.
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  • peter joseph 1 year ago
    Mampir: done-thanks
  • Nina Diamant 1 year ago
    Peter,

    just this....

    THANK YOU, for your hard work and for making it so simple to understand.
  • jonathan moynihan 11 months ago
    Nina I agree. Peter, Thank you for all your hard work
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  • Ultra Woman 1 year ago
    Thank you!!!!!
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  • Thanks PJ!!! =D
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  • parker howell 1 year ago
    Finally, some sanity in an insane world!
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  • Savior Self 1 year ago
    Great stuff PJ! Love your work! :-)

    "The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom." ~Isaac Asimov
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  • chris eddleman 1 year ago
    only 638 views? the whole world needs to see this
  • Saint who? 1 year ago
    Yes! The world is PRAYING for a Peter Joseph in spanish, french, dutch, mandarin, portuguese, russian, tagalog, kurdish, swedish, catalan, hebrew, buginese... all of them
  • Leggie 9 months ago
    Praying is a religious term, and we know how effective this activity is. Perhaps we need to act rather than pray by teaching and selling the concept of reality before it's too late. The problem is, people continue to wear blinders and earplugs. They feed relentlessly on the mediameal and their lack of wanting to embrace change, real change. If you're not off the grid, you're part of the problem. People have choices yet they exercise the option to stand still.
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  • cristian kirk 1 year ago
    Thank you Peter.
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  • iam walking helper 1 year ago
    I've seen the first 25 seconds, and I don't know what this video is about,

    you should say on those 25 seconds what your video will probe/say or what is the intention, what you pretend to acomplish
  • Ben McLeish 1 year ago
    Surely you can pay more attention than 25 seconds...
  • Martin 1 year ago
    Did you watch the intro?
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  • Marko Milinković 1 year ago
    masterpiece! Thank you!
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  • Glide & Swerve 1 year ago
    Peter, I am a record producer and can edit the voiceover parts you did to make it sound consistent with the original spoken parts and the space the original presentation was made in.. please get in touch if you would like help with this. I am offering this for free!
  • Adrian Dvergsdal 1 year ago
    The swapping between different sound sources drives me crazy.
  • mr. Winter 1 year ago
    Yes, please!
  • Emre Erturk 1 year ago
    Yes, please! :)
  • peter joseph 1 year ago
    I will be replacing the Vid with a better audio mix soon... i just wanted to get the thing up quickly...
  • Glide & Swerve 1 year ago
    Hey Peter, I realise now that you are also a musician too! I was really inspired by your film - you can listen to my music here glideandswerve.com should you wish to use any in future productions then please get in touch - would be happy to grant a free license as a way of supporting the movement.

    best wishes

    Ivan
  • john neanda 1 year ago
    Glide, great music, this would be very good for the Venus Project vids (i hope they're listening).

    Also, ask if you can go to work on the london lecture videos, the last time i saw it the sound made it unwatchable (the mic was in the audience, so quiet speakers and 'loud' clapping). I want to watch, but just can't justify the torture, pls someone fix it :)
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  • Kumi Yeboah 1 year ago
    Great lecture.
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  • Corey Getsi 1 year ago
    Absolutely fantastic. I support this all the way. Hope we can make it happen soon!
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  • Kalen D 1 year ago
    Brilliant lecture, as always.
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  • Daniela Martínez 1 year ago
    Hi! I'm a spanish speaker and, of course, I have a lots of friends that speak spanish too. The problem is that they don't speak english so well and I would like to be able to send this video to them, as I did with the others ZM movies. So, could anyone add spanish subtitle on this video, like in the ZM movies?

    Thanks a lot!!
  • john neanda 1 year ago
    Hi dnaiela, would you like to try to do it? You can do it here:
    dotsub.com/

    This should be translated into as many languages as possible
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  • Mel B. 1 year ago
    This lecture was very well structured and presented. But it doesn't address the much deeper lying causes of the current problems (btw. it's a manmade illusion to build cause and effect relations - that is not possible no matter how scientific the research is. It always ends up in the result of our subjective minds trying to understand the world). The question we should all be asking is: Where does our culture with all its institutions etc. really come from? Is it an expression of our nature (caused by our evolution) or was it always there and we are just the unlucky ones born into this bad environment who are trying to fix things? We shouldn't relate too much on only one part of the answer. This lecture and the whole movement is doing just that and with that risking the danger of not considering other causing effects on human behavior besides the environmental conditioning. For all of you who don't know much about scientific researches of human behavior the theories the movement is representing could be summarized under the name behaviorism. This branch of science is pretty much outdated because scientists recognized that man is not just an empty piece of paper with the environment writing on it to create a manual for how to bahave. With this simplistic view people will make wrong decisions because they aren't able to see the whole image (which is of course always impossible but at least you should try). I hope everybody thinks about it - if science is so relevant for social problems, the movement should pay attention to EVERY field of science otherwise it won't end up in a good way.
  • Kostas 1 year ago
    The question that someone really has to make to himself/herself, is whether the environment plays such a significant role for the majority of all these aberrant behaviors that torture our society today, as a lot of people still cling to outdated notions of human beings being greedy, competitive and aggressive by nature.
    And the answer is yes.
    If you really want to see some up to date science about behavior have a look at the lectures of Robert Sapolsky:
    archive.org/details/RobertSapolsky-BiologyAndHumanBehavior

    You may also want to have a look at epigenetics for gene and disease expression due to environmental causes to understand how really important is the environmental influence:
    pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3411/02.html
  • M GD 1 year ago
    Mel B you might also want to pay closer attention to the lecture, it's clear that they never explain things in terms of behaviorism, what's more the zeitgeist movement pays close attention to all scientific discoveries, and uses them to argue about the actual state of the world, what's more important is that behaviourism as you clearly said consider man as a blank piece of paper, but clearly speaking about how capitalism has tranformed a population of human beings into a sick population of human beings, this is beacause our minds have been coditioned to live inside a cell, something fake which isn't our "natural" state, and that artificial state, creates mental illness, drug abuse, and that is because our mind is not blank, if it was blank, everything would be the same for the mind, being competitive and agressive and individualist and materialist, recentfull etc would not do anything wrong to the mind, but as this is not the case, and we do have a healthy state of mind, which is the zeitgeist movement says we have, and so your argument about behaviourism is no valid, anyway peace.
  • Mel B. 1 year ago
    @Kostas: I know what Sapolsky says but it's not the whole image. I recommend doing your own research and not only using the sources the zeitgeistmovement is offering. What about sociobiology? Most people, and the ZM, tend to make a difference between behavior affected by the environment and behavior affected by our genes. This is wrong but with this point of view it's understandable why people always want to decide what factor has a bigger influence. The perspective of sociobiology says, that it is not nature vs. nurture but nature via nurture. Of course this is the wrong place for decent discussions, so you have to look things up for yourself. But that is what makes science so interesting: Proving yourself wrong.

    @M GD:
    Well there are some quotes in the texts and also in some lectures of the ZM where it's clearly said that man is an empty peace of paper. Also the quote that there is no human nature only human behavior leads in that direction.
    Research it again and make your own conclusions not these that the zeitgeistmovement is offering. That would be only jumping on a bandwagon and not scientific research. I wonder why people from the movement always want to defend the movement's explanations because I think it's really good when somebody, maybe from within or outside the movement, discovers that some points of the content of the movement could be too simplistic. Insted of doing that, the movement has to look these points up, has to do researches and then has to admit that they were wrong - or not. What you are doing is not wanting to see what the movement's content is, behaviorism, and then trying to justify the explanations of PJ in a way that it fits in your image again. I don't want to be offensive I just want to encourage people not to rely on only one person's research or opinion, PJ's or Fresco's, only because it sounds reasonable or right. That wouldn't be very scientific either, right;)

    Greetings
  • Kostas 1 year ago
    @Mel B
    I'm sorry but you're not being a good scientist and making a flawed hypothesis. The fact that I cited Sapolsky, which is the one the movement cites as well, does not necessarily mean that is the only one I've researched. You also seem to have selective vision not commenting on the epigenetics field. Have you seen the movement's lectures or documents talking about this field? Please point me to them.
    I have also researched on Pinker and Dawkins and their theories are flawed or outdated. Pinker is using unreliable data to justify aggresion from the Yanomamo population (See the Trap documentary from Adam Curtis to get a hint). The twin studies are also flawed. Dawkins admits in the latest version of The Selfish Gene (see endnotes) that the latest scientific findings actually do not support his theory.
    I'd suggest you have a look at the list of videos from Sapolsky I linked to, who examines the various "schools" and not only one.
  • George 1 year ago
    "The question we should all be asking is: Where does our culture with all its institutions etc. really come from? Is it an expression of our nature (caused by our evolution) or was it always there and we are just the unlucky ones born into this bad environment who are trying to fix things?"

    Maybe this will answer your question:
    youtube.com/watch?v=01sLroMoyYI&feature=related

    and/or this:
    video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1285345463618889531#
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  • Sam Morrill staff 1 year ago
    I'm only ten minutes into the talk, but this is really fascinating. Maybe we can get a good discussion going about this.
  • there's a world wide movement with nearly half a million members. zeitgeistmovement.com
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  • Gee Moore 1 year ago
    Very Good, very well constructed and inspiring lecture.
    Thank you very much.
    Now to continue spreading the information.
    :)
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  • Ivan Steward 1 year ago
    Just picked up on a potential typo in the graphs in the presentation. 'Summery'...should this be 'summary'? Essential discussion, thanks Peter. Look forward to the Venus project talk in Melbourne in a couple of weeks!
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  • Don Joe 1 year ago
    You should use a graph of all possible markers of social pathology and compare it with a graph of how the markers of social _health_ correlate with inequality. As your presentation stands, you can be easily accused of cherry-picking the social parameters based on how clearly they correlate with income inequality. It's not scientifically convincing this way.
  • Ben McLeish 1 year ago
    The summary slide shown in the presentation conflates all of the social parameters in one go as well. The correlation is even more obvious.
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  • aggeliki 1 year ago
    Wonderful! The Zetgeist Movement is the most enlightened social movement that has ever existed! Excellent!
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  • Marco Dorantes 1 year ago
    How long will it take to this movement become religion? That is, (1) few see a problem and propose a solution, (2) many non-critical thinkers are indoctrinated (often as a kind of “self-alienation”) into the solution’s space, (3) a new order of things, a new Establishment, emerge as the new problem to be debunked by yet another small group —sometimes part of the same original few— of critical thinkers. Perhaps, this inevitably will be the case while the Transition stage. After that, and based on the first Zeitgeist Movement movie, when most of religious thought were replaced by the habits of philosophy in most of the people, then —and only then—people will be improving their beliefs at a constant pace and this movement will be only part of a continuum of healthy World’s resets. But, chances are the current movement becomes yet another manifestation of a Robespierre-like, Reign of Terror, not because the force of the good ideas in it, but because, precisely, the force of the vast majority of its alienated, non-critical, enthusiastic, blind followers. So, to young activists: Want to, really, advocate the ideas behind this movement —or any movement for that matter—? Please educate yourself first in the personal habits of basic philosophy and then contribute thinking critically about its ideas.
  • burch driver 1 year ago
    So every movement becomes what it set out to replace? Oh shite, I guess there is no point in trying to improve the situation then.
  • Marco Dorantes 1 year ago
    Sometimes, that is exactly the case, other times, not so. History has a number of instances to contrast them each other and get a bigger picture of the matter. The book Animal Farm by George Orwell depicts the case of Russia before World War II. In any case, an important factor will be the ability to challenge —at the personal level— our current understanding of the ultimate aim, and to adapt or improve such understanding on the way as new information is found and confirmed. But there is much more to think about and, by necessity, few thinking people will fall short. That is why at early stages of a movement the call is not only for enthusiasm and activistic effort, but for scrupulous and critical thought, bringing an ethos to the movement of serious thinkers and not just buzzwords repeating followers.
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  • Neviton Duarte 1 year ago
    great work, thanks
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  • fred bear 1 year ago
    thank you so much mr joseph you truly are a remarkable individual.
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  • ben charles 1 year ago
    i like.. and shared with all my friends.. but no matter how many ppl i get to watch this, and other important films, they say "yeah, awesome we should do something" but then the next day go to work, and continue buying shit....

    anyway, great presentation :) i hope real change comes about..
  • John Juster 1 year ago
    I bet ya every day since, they think of awesome things that they could do. It's at least one step closer! :)
  • This is so true. People that have been brainwashed by the monetary system inciters like Robert Kiyosaki, Donald Trump, Bill Gates, etc. are much more difficult than the sckeptic.
    Long live scepticism.
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  • Douglas Mallette 1 year ago
    Well done Peter, as always. Less 'doom and gloom', and more fact driven analysis and data. I love that.
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  • Jeff van de Graaf 1 year ago
    The Zeitgeist movement and Venus project appear to have been in motion for a few years now. Any progress on the "cause"? It seems as if all that has been said is mere futile conversation. Will this movement come to fruition only after the economy collapses, the world shrouded in chaos and the planet at the threat of visible destruction will humanity finally emerge with the concept that change is necessary?
    I'll be holding all the ideas presented in this video and the ideology of the Zeitgeist movement in mind day to day, however, when facing to this reality, I'm still required to succumb to the "powers that be" and try to "earn" a living. So in the end, this all just appears to be fantastical ideas that needs to take the next step to begin a phase of materializing into the world and in to our conscious reality and begin making a difference before the doomsday preachers get the opportunity to say, "I told you so...".
  • Nirav Nadam 1 year ago
    Well said Jeff.

    The collapse of the monetary system is imminent. Perhaps we need the collapse to occur first but, obviously, it would be better to get something in place before this happens. The internet is a key ally and could be the means to progress the cause before the doomsday preachers get the last word.

    These are times of accelerated changes, so please don't be surprised that you might see our vision come true, whatever that may be. I have complete trust that we are already living major changes, so this is quite a stimulating transition and growth opportunity we're already in.

    We are gaining much by becoming informed of our options to make this transformation a viable possibility. That's why Peter is so on target when he stresses the over-importance of communicating to the world this vision. The release of the next Zeitgeist film, currently under production and expected to be out later this year, will bring forth much needed information that will trigger a chain of events.

    Why? Because the more awareness we gain on what options are feasible to implement this shared vision, the more the growth of supporters –and detractors- worldwide. The Z-Day event held last March 13th is a clear sign of the intent to make significant changes in our ways of being and relating to one another.

    This moment demands a rapid growth of willing participants as yourself. We are all in this quest, envisioning that which may be for the highest collective well-being. The Venus Project has a vision that many share, and as clearly explained by Jacque, it is subject to improvements.

    This is appealing for the new humanity under gestation. Our Planet Earth is already pregnant, at an energetic level given by the current frequencies of our immediate universe. There will be a split. Some will find chaos, because that is what they want. Some will find harmony in what they live, regardless of their economic situation.

    What we can all DO to help this along, before an economic collapse occurs, is to spread the ideas to others in whatever way each one of us can – make videos, talk to people, write blogs, become involved with the local chapters, or whatever you think will help. This is not just one man, or a movement, this involves each one of us who believe in this vision, to change the consciousness, which is a necessary step in the transition.

    Namasté.
  • Namasté
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  • Irina Grecu 1 year ago
    Jeff: the best thing to do is to join your local chapter. There you can help the movement and stay connected. Another thing you can do, is figure out ways to get off the grid and start becoming less dependent on the system.
    Visit the website thezeitgeistmovement.com/
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  • Luis 1 year ago
    hah. vimeo says "this video cannot be downloaded anymore today"

    good job guys!
  • Adolfo Pacheco 1 year ago
    Dont wait till vimeo let you to download a video: you can download ANY video downloader software and just COPY the direction vimeo.com/10707453 on it and start download it.. also you can select the format of your video (.mov, .mp4, .avi, etc) and altough you download your video at any format you can change it to another later... the program I use its called FormatFactory 2.20: its freeware (just put FormatFactory 2.20 free on google) and really simple to use but you could use any downloader software you prefer...
  • Richard Ayotte 1 year ago
    Just login to Vimeo and you'll be able to download.
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  • hyrsebrigh 1 year ago
    This is nice. I mostly agree with your problem statement, however I'm a bit skeptical about the top-down (design) approach to "the solution". Agreed, the bottom-up constituency principle of the current "free" market system yields very unfavorable results. However there's no reason to simply conclude this needs to be replaced by an "intelligent" design approach. The self-emergent nature of society can't just be organized away into an objective, rational distribution system.
    I think we much rather need to utilize the intersubjective construction of reality (just as the establishment does) to subliminally create the values and incentives that will make people strive for cooperation and a sustainable lifestyle.
    This will take time and lots of trust, good will and patience. As this is a process that will naturally span multiple generations, we must strive to (1) conserve the knowledge we have and (2) open that knowledge up for discussion and improvement.
    BTW, you guys seem to completely overlook the Open Source community, which is doing just this, right here, right now (however mainly in the field of computer software, where it's relatively easy to accomplish)
  • burch driver 1 year ago
    Yes, "...we become what we see." - Marshal Mcluhan

    We need to show ourselves what what really are and let the reconditioning begin.
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  • Seventy4 1 year ago
    great as usual, thanks for fast upload.
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  • Ginko 1 year ago
    Great job peter, if possible in the future, add videos with spanish subs or another lenguages? a lot of persons of differents countrys are really interesed in what you say, but the lenguage is always a barrier,

    Please keep doing your amazing work.

    Andres.
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  • Amber T 1 year ago
    Can't we all just start yelling in the streets until everyone else starts to listen?
  • Leggie 9 months ago
    No. Although it would seem like a good idea, it would only serve to irritate. I am not certain what impact in all the channels of social media this is having. I would have expected exponential interest and growth, but I do not see it. What's even more annoying is that basic media is not giving this the exposure it needs. Funny thing that, eh? Imagine the "normal media" would embrace and promote such a concept. Pfffft!
  • Amber T 9 months ago
    Ya, I don't agree with that. My question was meant to be rhetorical. Of course we can. If mass mobs of people started yelling down the streets do we really believe all the sheeple wouldn't start to follow? Please don't answer, again that's rhetorical. Of course they would, it's what they do because it is how they have been programmed.
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  • Alan Smith 1 year ago
    Without a system of democracy through which we can unite against the monsters and for our common will, I doubt any of the fine points you make will ever come to fruition. Let's start real democracy, or they will win.
  • Sasho Hristov 1 year ago
    Scary uh? No real enemy for the all gready all compeeting capitalist...... whos wining and whos loosing.....
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  • Alan Smith 1 year ago
    Any time you get ready to install a system of real democracy into the movement, I have the code for you: MajorityVoice.
  • Sasho Hristov 1 year ago
    dont fall for revolutions.... violence can not be a way to make things better... never ever
  • Leggie 9 months ago
    Revolution: just another turn of events.
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  • maurice men 1 year ago
    Great lecture. I reccomend all zeitgeist fans, michael moore s newest film "capitalism a love story"
  • Nina Diamant 1 year ago
    An excellent recomendation!!!

    I saw the movie and hope many more people will watch it! Although it depicts the Europian system better than it actually is (well actually only the french and english one), it gives a good insight of how MONEY can actually destroy you in many ways, physically and mentally.
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  • Norman Imperial 1 year ago
    @29:00 hahaha!!! We feel the same way you feel Peter(:
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  • Steven Martin 1 year ago
    I agree with you analogy of a social disease. However, I think it is essential to keep the chemical treatment of the market and the ability to inplement change must be made via the same conduits that we have crated the world to this point. There are many systems that fudametally work but it is correct in analysing that the system is sick. We have to implement treatment in stages and it would be unrealistic to think we can achieve real change by having a complete overhaul of the system without a catostrophic event happening. Change that comes via these catostophies are eveoutionary in nature, and will only evolve based on the level of need for change. We have to balance the medication for this disease that will work much like cancer treatment in that the cure could kill the patient if to much is admistered at the wrong time. There has to be a choice, either the poor achieve access or the rich give up thier resoruce. The cure starts in the most impoversed areas. There has to be an injection of economic resources to the most deprived areas of the economic areas. If this can happen then those who have great resource will be left unaware of the change and the opening of access happens to the poor, in turn it will empower them and thusly uniting the poor to become more dependant on themselves and not having to go to the rich for resources. This will achieve the "Z" concept in which it will create another society within the existing economy. Those who have the wealth write the laws, so it is imperitive that the movement must act as a virus in that it operates as a simple idea or concept but if adequatly populated can destroy the host. Balance is the force of nature and it must be achieved societally in order for our society to continue to exist. The economic system works in the fact that it stimulates competition and if allowed to run correctly, will continue to develope our society as needed. But the system was corrupted in the early part of the last century in which the industrial and military complex's were allowed to manipulated and regulate growth to a select few. Capitalism can work as long as the person with the big idea is allowed access to resources to attempt the success of that idea. The ability to gain access to that resoruce is very marginal and limited to those in the lower class. A living wage has deminished from the middle class and the hope of haveing a stable financial life only exist for a few.

    I am truly impressed with this movement and its idea. I would invite more dialogue into implimentation of these concepts and how to achieve these goals based from where we stand today and how we achieve the higher positioning of the proposed social order.
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  • Erick Chade 1 year ago
    Social Pathology was brilliant. I can't wait for your third film, the work you present never fails to impress me.
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  • JuAN LÓPEZ 1 year ago
    I URGE ONLY A FAVOR, someone can at least write down what has been said in the video?, so I can translate more easily and disperse between french and spanish speakers as much as i can,i know that is a very small contribution,but each gear has importance, thanks.
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  • Beautifully said!
  • Leggie 9 months ago
    Talk is cheap. Leadership is what we need. Action. Not just well spoken words. Etsi then enai, patriotaki?
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  • Chris O'Rourke 1 year ago
    I am a strong supporter but have a philosophical question about what I was listening to at the beginning of the first chapter. Good health is established as a common human need. But then the leap is made to the idea that this is automatically a common goal or responsibility. While I personally feel this is the better way to go, I can see certain flavors of libertarians and others who imagine they believe in some kind of individualism complaining that other people are not their responsibility, or believe in social darwinism, etc. While I feel this is wrong on many levels, what is your immediate response to such folks?
  • Ethan Hoh 1 year ago
    Um, maybe telling them to ask their white blood cells to take care of themselves instead of working together when fighting viruses in their body? The Earth is a single entity, and all the organisms inside, including humans are its cells.
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  • dan cooper 1 year ago
    this movement gives me hope for a future without debt or slavery as well as a chance for our environment. i am actively trying to get other people in my community involved and aware of its message. i myself dream of a life where i can be free of so called financial responsibilities so i can pusrsue the things that i love. i know that this proposed system is not perfect but i want to point out that the existing sysetem is beyind imperfect and at this point, serves those who have, and not those that really are really in need. isnt it strange that typically those who have the most in this world give the least? lets make everyone equal by eliminating the monetary system.
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  • kayoazul 1 year ago
    the 21 trillion dollars needed to fix the GLOBAL energy infrastructure is about the same amount of the recent bailout of wall street et al…
  • Ethan Hoh 1 year ago
    Money doesn't work out things, resources do. Money is an illusion.
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  • GpsClothing plus 1 year ago
    Excellent!
    DONT STOP !!!
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  • Juan Da Silva 1 year ago
    PLEASEEEE upload this video on dotSUB.com, and transcribe it, so i can translate it to spanish and share this video.
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  • Enrique 1 year ago
    Great, thanks for this Peter. I can tell you put a lot of work into this. Very good lecture.
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  • Grai Oleksy 1 year ago
    Isn't is Marshall Sahlins? Not Shalins.
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  • Renato Ribas 1 year ago
    PJ, love it like al your videos. I want to see change starting ASAP. Please guide folks on next actions. We need to change. I'm tired of feeling depressed because this world is sick and no one seems to care much (at leats most of the people I talk to). Most of people just want to go on with their lives and not think that there can be change.

    I don't understand how we can be truly happy knowing that all this is going on, that people are dying of hunger and so many things are wrong. We tend to live the day and not care about other things going on. I constantly think about your movies and presentations and always try to find solutions and convince people that change is good and required, but I feel that most of the people really care about their current goals, like getting promoted, buying the new car, dealing with random problems and going to festivals get drunk so they can forget about the problems..

    Please provide action for us. We need guidance and we need them soon. I want my 1 year old son to see a better world and not this shit that I don't belive in.

    Thanks!!!
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  • J. Costello 1 year ago
    Peter, are you a scientist? I don’t want to stick a thorn in your side but you have a lot of nonscientists believing in every word you say. Well, I am a scientist and I’ve followed your movies and lectures for more than a year. I’ve done my own research on your subjects to see if I would draw the same conclusion as yours. No, they didn’t match up 100%. This means I am having difficulty duplicating your results. These people on your blogs would not be so quick to praise your work if they knew what I know – your conclusions are questionable because your observations and research appears to have some errors in it. It would be a lot easier on me if you lectured in the standard scientific lecture format. Also, please stop telling me the conclusions; I can draw my own – thank you. I don’t really expect to hear from you because I know you are busy with lectures and you have no time to keep up on the research – that is a plague to all scientists. However, please make it easy on us who wish to continue Mr. Fresco’s research by lecturing in such a way to make possible for improvement on his theories.
  • Kostas 1 year ago
    Who do you consider a scientist and a non-scientist? Please cut this BS of credentialism. Do you consider Jacque a scientist? Well, he doesn't have any titles.If you are really a "scientist" as you say, you should know that every published scientific paper in a peer reviewed journal has a section called Conclusions. So how can you say to Peter don't tell me the conclusions? Find me a reviewer of a paper that said to the authors of a publication: "Don't tell me which are the conclusions on your paper, I can make my own".
    How about you follow the scientific route and publish your hypotheses/findings so they can be PEER REVIEWED by us?I'm sure as a "scientist" you know what that is right?
  • Ethan Hoh 1 year ago
    Everyone is a scientist, we recognize objects, speech, thoughts, etc. We are not born knowing all that stuffs. We created our theories based on our 'experience' with the environment.
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  • Adolfo Pacheco 1 year ago
    peter joseph!!! you and Jacque Fresco and Roxane Meadows are my greatest inspirations.. you are my idols!!!! its amazing, simple and easy to understand all the aberrations generated by this profit, scarcity and monetary sistem all we humans live and a great proposal: the venus project.. Ill keep myself working to pass on this message... Im from Mexico where its supposed to live the most richest man in the world (even more than Bill Gates, they say): Carlos Slim Helu.. I hope to reach him and convince him to help on the movie and the first city
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  • João Maia 1 year ago
    COFF COFF slave labour COFF COFF
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  • steven morrison 1 year ago
    hi Kostas & J. Costello

    Would you be able to post on a website somewhere, what your findings are J. Costello, and what research you have undertaken.
    Then we the layman can take a look.
    Its always better to back up your claims with evidence, as you are aware.

    Its easy to sit and throw stones.
    And no we dont believe everything he says, we question it, as you have just done.

    Plus when he sleeps its hard to understand what he is saying with all us ZM in the same bed...
    We are not sheep my friends...

    We are looking for change and social awareness...
    The current systems dont offer us anything.

    If you have better ideas, then publish them please in you Scientific journals...

    ZM member - zenmor
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  • Manny Sure 1 year ago
    Very Interesting point of View. Great Work !! Do you have this presentation with spanish subtitles?
    Thank you.
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  • Rafael 1 year ago
    Here are links to the Citigroup memos (original PDFs):

    October 16, 2005:

    jdeanicite.typepad.com/files/6674234-citigroup-oct-16-2005-plutonomy-report-part-1.pdf

    March 5, 2006:

    jdeanicite.typepad.com/files/6674229-citigroup-mar-5-2006-plutonomy-report-part-2-1-1.pdf

    September 29, 2006:

    borsaitaliana.it/bitApp/view.bit?filename=pdf%2F52716.pdf&lang=it&target=StudiDownloadFree

    On the October 16, 2005 memo, they refer "In early September we wrote about the (ir)relevance of oil to equities and introduced the idea that the U.S. is a Plutonomy". Has anyone found this early-September 2005 memo?
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  • Steven Martin 1 year ago
    I finally saw the whole presentation and I am in support of many of the concepts but the solutions need stepping stones to achieve the end goal. There is no accounting for mental or emotional instability in a persons human nature. There are those who want destruction of some sort no matter what resoruces are available to them. Those are the types that are in power now and will always exist to challenge those who seek peace and balance. Without this destructive side of our existance accounted for, it is hard to see the "Z" world ever comming to existance. There is a mental stablilty that must be achieved that i believe can only come about by some major cataclism and the predators of our populations would have to be completly eliminated. That "killer instinct" is what propels our society forward and has inspired and enabled us to develop the world as we know it. There are hundreds of tribes that exist in South America and Africa that still live on the land as thier ancestors have. We have evolved from that existance and the proposal of this movement is a return to that form of existance. I agree we need to maximize our productive capabilities but competition does breed new and creative inovations. The fundamental defect is that the small companies that have the alternative power source and recycle mentality are crushed by the larger infrastruction companies. The way you take any large beast down is to be as small as possible and infect that creatures blood flow. Which means get inside of these large infrastructures and take them out from within. The steps have to be accounted for in a sequence of events that will enable the change to occur. The proposed solution is an idea, but the likely outcome is far from that because several quantitative variables have not been accounted for. The idea of this movement is monumental but doesn't calculate the animal behavior that people will exude at ever step of the process. That behavior cannot be managed with the proposed solutions in thier current state. Believe it or not, just because someone has everything they need dosn't mean they will not commit a crime. Most of your sadistic and serial killers, sex offienders, and thieves have a real mental or emotional disorder that they cannot control. Many of these everyday criminals have and desire a normal existance but hunger for destruction of some sort and i would state that these people exist in very affluent positions in our society because capitolism feeds that hunger and there are so many ways they achieve thier blood lust through legal means. The current structure feeds and rewards the killer instinct and you are looking at generations for the level of reform in a societal mindset. I do agree with most of the goals and the assesment and diagnosis of the problem. I just believe that the end society that is proposed leaves out this very fundamental fabric of animal behavior we inherit instinctivly and the end product must account for all fundamental behaviors.
  • logikaatje 1 year ago
    That's is my only point of comment too,
    How we spread the worth of positivism and niceness.
    By showing respect to get it, and that is also what al people have in common, the need for acceptance assistance and respect. So my mission for simple cosyness, will continue.... prob for generations too...;)
    Love peters courage though
    Sylvia B
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  • ozaru7 1 year ago
    it´s there a version subtiled to spanish or can i do it ??
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  • P. Joustra 1 year ago
    From a Marxist point of view this is all so true. I have been a fan of the design from the start, but a lot has to be changed for this to ever get somewhere.

    In my field, Political Science, the academic society does not even acknowledge any of this movement as existing and there are deep rooted status-quo reasons for this. Especially the transition strategy is dangerously underdeveloped with the danger that there is no real plan at all.

    The communities seem to be lagging behind on growth schedule. Too little people are willing to dedicate their life to these goals. I have been trying for years now to find the start of creating a interdisciplinary team of scientists that want to sacrifice their easygoing-money-and-fame-career for a lobby towards such left-wing transition to a more secure and sustainable world, but run into the problem that anybody who is actually (street)smart and clever enough, is too busy doing almost nothing of substantive value, like Peter also says.

    Dear people... you are the only ones that can do it... Talk about this... not on a weekly basis, but on a daily or even hourly basis! This has to be the talk echoing through society. The talk of the street, the talk in the office. Everywhere.
    There is still that little part of moral and the longing for community and justice instilled in every human being. And a repressed feel of guilt, sorrow and regret in every heart. Let's exploit these things to the maximum. Else forget it...
  • logikaatje 1 year ago
    Right on, P joustra

    I feel your cause for cosyness, and I will fight to clarify.
    A mental change is possible, but have patience.

    Sylvia B (nl)
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