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3 months ago
I've been waiting for MBL to become available for Sony Vegas, so now that it's here, I took it for a spin.

This is a Canon HG10 + Letus35 Mini + Canon EF 24mm f/2.8... all handheld. Short clips graded differently in MBL.

Not the cheepest piece of software I've ever come across, but I really like how it works... Having worked with Photoshop before, this is not all that different to work with. It really lets you change the look of things...

See this tutorial for more info:
studiodaily.com/main/news/feed.rss/8216.html

UPDATE: I have now uploaded the raw footage version of this video. See it here: vimeo.com/1225769
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  • Kevin 3 months ago
    Great effects! Thanks for the video.
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  • Kjewbee 3 months ago
    ...I'm gonna kick my premiere out of the door...
    Vegas it will be from now on...
    nice footage btw.
  • Simon 3 months ago
    Hu? MBL is available for Premiere for a long time already, just a hint.
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  • True AiR 3 months ago
    Very nice, very surreal. I like it :)
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  • timelapseforum 3 months ago
    Amazing!!!
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  • Paul 3 months ago
    Stunning video! Thinking about going Vegas now!
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  • Hannes 3 months ago
    Hi, it looks great. Did you use an external monitor for focussing?
  • Hannes 3 months ago
    What does "unsharp mask" mean? Is it a special filter in vegas or just a regular sharpening filter you used? It is so ... sharp! Its quiet seldom to see sharp footage from the mini and a small cam ... but it immediately turns on :D
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    Unsharp mask is a pretty standard technical word (I think). I know it from Photoshop and am used to using it on still images. Sony Vegas offers both options (I'm sure other software does the same). Wikipedia has this to say about unsharp mask:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsharp_masking

    I used both unsharp mask and 'regular' sharpening in this video. The pros who do editing will say that that's not right, but I try not to listen to anybody other than myself :)

    I liked the surface of the rock (granite, I think) and wanted to show the textures of it. I do feel that I have my Letus set-up pretty good when it comes to sharpness but no matter what, you always need a little sharpening in post - the more resolution, the more sharpness you need.

    Something about adaptors and sharpness:

    Optaining focus (with a camcorder) on a small screen (ground glass) inside an adaptor is not all that easy. Lenses (as in any camcorder) will focus well on near subjects as long as you are fully zoomed out. When you zoom in, you will notice that you will have to move farther away in order to still have focus on that subject.

    My HG10 is about 70% zoomed-in in order to 'only' see the screen inside the adaptor (about 1 inch from the front of the lens). For this to work, the letus (and other adaptors) have achromats / macro lenses in front of the screen. If not, the camcorder wouldn't be able to focus on the screen. So, the first thing you need to do is to put the adaptor on the camcorder without a lens on the adaptor. Then you need to get good focus on the screen. The camcorder's autofocus will have a hard time doing this if you're not careful. After achieving focus, you turn the camcorder to manual focus and it will have to stay that way as long as the adaptor is on. Users will have to not touch the zoom button on the camcorder when in use (which sometimes can be tough). I believe some adaptor users have problems with focus on the GG rather than having trouble handling the lens's manual focus (the lens on the adaptor).

    Hope that was remotely useful :)
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    Just realized that you have an adaptor too :) So, sorry if you already knew...
  • Hannes 3 months ago
    Hey, thanks for your comment. Wikipedia helped concerning unsharp mask. I'll immediately try it, if I got my Letus mini :D
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    Raw footage version now available: vimeo.com/1225769
  • Jan van der Meer 3 months ago
    I opened both in one screen and started simultanusly, now i'm sure MB is just to ad a visual feeling to your story. The raw footage is real and unspoiled, no overexposed flowers or funny colors. So it has all to do with waht you are going to use it for. Exept for the sharpness, I also experienced that the sharpness controle in Vegas is better on non sharpened even minus one sharpened footage! Do you agree?
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    Yes, I prefer a neutral setting in the camcorder. Generally, sharpening should be the last step in your production, not the first. Using the built-in sharpening of the camcorder is only recommended for people who don't do post production.
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  • The Jason 3 months ago
    Vegas is great, and these are nice shots, but dont credit Vegas for how good this looks - that $800 Letus35 Mini is whats kickin ass here!
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    Yes, the mini (the lens) and MBL did all the work. Sony Vegas is 'just' one of the programs that are needed to run MBL.
  • The Jason 3 months ago
    Yea I was playing with MBL on my last video I submitted. I really like the "basic" filter! MBL is pretty sweet, but nothing beats the coolness of the mini! 35mm DOF is so awesome on a "Cheap" camera like the ones we have. Really wish I could afford one :(
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  • Jan van der Meer 3 months ago
    Thankx so much, just exploring the free trial and its stunning but quite expensive. Upgrading is cheaper but who has the old version for sale?
  • Greg Wallis 3 months ago
    Try the free version that Rico has linked to, below. It works very well in Vegas, only has presets (which are pretty good), and does take quite long to render. but it's FREE :)
  • Jan van der Meer 3 months ago
    Thank you so much really great tip!
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    Raw footage version now available: vimeo.com/1225769
  • Jan van der Meer 3 months ago
    See my comments above.
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  • Brian Boudreau 3 months ago
    great colors and edits.mbl looks great at some point I need to try it. I think there is a free older version for vegas that Eugnia posted a link to. but I dont have the site offhand
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    :) Yes, I've used that on a few of my last videos:

    download.sonymediasoftware.com/current/extras/vegasmovielooks_hd.exe (right-click and choose 'save destination as'). After installation, it will show up in Sony Vegas under 'Video FX'.

    It's very good for a free piece of software - rendering times are extremely slow, though.
  • Brian Boudreau 3 months ago
    there is always a catch with "free" isnt there hehe
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  • RogerB1 3 months ago
    WOW I am impressed with this! And I have never seen the HG look so sharp. I wonder if Magic Bullet had something to do with it, or the unsharp filter? Very nice ! I save your stuff. thanks
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    I believe that MBL does have a sharpening function, but I didn't use it. 'Only' unsharp mask and sharpening in Vegas.
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  • Chan Aung 3 months ago
    owww.such a cool video.. i wanna learn how to do that..

    wait ..Magic Bullet is available for Vegas but for what version of Vegas and Magic Bullet are you using.. ?
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    I'm on the 8 Pro now, not sure if it will work with platinum edition. You should ask them before you buy :) Their website isn't quite updated yet. Maybe even just download the 'full' trial and try it out (a big fat red cross will be in your footage).
  • Peter Meier 3 days ago
    I work with MBL on vegas platinum 8 and it works well.
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  • Stephen Niebauer 3 months ago
    Gorgeous!
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  • Pierre 3 months ago
    I love that stuff. Great job done PV :)
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  • Simon 3 months ago
    Man, I usually hate everything regarding HD, but this looks awesome.
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  • Impressive. Are you adding the subtle vignette in "Looks" as well? Also, were you creating your own looks or just playing around with applying the pre made ones?
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    The vignette is 100% from MBL. I used presets and just played around changing / adding a few things that I saw in the tutorial (link above).
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  • Justin Be 3 months ago
    Magic B is available on Premiere, After effects, Vegas and Avid. In my opinion if you shoot with a good 24p cam using a 35mm adapter for the DOP and then use MB in post you are going to get the closest film look possible....good lighting helps too.
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    I shot this in 50i (PAL) but the HG10 can do 25p. I'll have to play around with that in order to learn how big the difference is.
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  • Jerry Serna 3 months ago
    Hey Pixel, I have sony vegas platinum what rendering do you use to get the best possible video quality to final DVD product? Or what video encoder do you use? For Vimeo do you use Eugenia's tutorial? Or you use you own.
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    I don't do DVD's. All my footage is uploaded to the web.

    I use Eugenia's settings for Vegas Pro. This video was rendered with a variable bitrate of 6-8mbps...
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  • steve arnold 3 months ago
    mint what a fantastic tool!
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  • piet sloos 3 months ago
    hi, great conversion between raw and this one. i also have vegas 8 with magic bullet suite, but i need to have more information about colour grading, what were your exact settings to get the video look like that?

    greets
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    It's hard to be specific. I just started with some presets and took it from there. Mostly just changed some colors with the color wheel, added a grad filter and played with spot exposure.
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  • piet sloos 3 months ago
    interesting as i can't seem to find a color wheel, grad filter and spot exposure within sony vegas, i just loaded the bullet look suite plugins trough video event fx in vegas. where can i find it?

    thanks
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    The color wheel, grad filter and spot exposure I was referring to are not a part of Sony Vegas. Are you using the free plug-in I linked to above?
    download.sonymediasoftware.com/current/extras/vegasmovielooks_hd.exe or the paying version from Red Giant Software: redgiantsoftware.com/products/all/magic-bullet-looks/ ?

    The free version only has presets that you can turn up and down but not add to, while the paying version is the one I was referring to (sorry if that wasn't clear).

    This tutorial will describe color wheel, grad filter and spot exposure: studiodaily.com/main/news/feed.rss/8216.html
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  • Anne Cutler 3 months ago
    amazing..... you are just simply amazing.
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    Hey, you made it to the other side... :D

    Don't look into the light - it will eat you up :)
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  • Mark Simonson 3 months ago
    I have the canon hg10 and the letus mini. Magic bullet seems to work well. Trying to save for fcp and magic bullet. Where do people get all this money, help, lol.
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    An understanding bank adviser :) You don't believe the 'interest' they show me :D
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  • monso 3 months ago
    fantastic...
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  • Sonny W. 3 months ago
    Beautiful looking video! Your lens and camera combo seems to work really well too. I know I'll be shopping for a 3CCD when my HC7 is retired soon.
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  • Jay Boy's Random Cutz 3 months ago
    Hey Pixel! Very nice work again! Are you using any support rails for your Letus Mini?
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    Not in this video (which was handheld) but I do have the 'Rod Support' from Letus - the 45cm version. There are a few images of that setup at the end of this video: vimeo.com/1108248

    Why? :) Are you going to go and throw some money their way? :)
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    There are cheaper alternatives and you might even be able to just built some sort of bracket yourself. I'm just not the handyman you seem to be :)
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  • Jay Boy's Random Cutz 3 months ago
    No, not planning on any purchases soon. Just wonder if you were using support for the hand held shots. Letus says you don't need it, but I've heard otherwise. I'd be pretty damn nervous without it. I'd end up bumping the lens and snapping it off. Screwing the threads up. Once again, lookin' good man!
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    I was nervous too before I tried it but it seems to work just fine handheld. The camcorder is so light that if you just hold the Letus, the camcorder and lens will balance fine. The Letus itself has an awkward shape, so holding it as the only option is not recommended. I for one prefer mounting it to a tripod. The Letus rod support is very sturdy and seems like overkill for a camcorder with the size of a HG10 / HV20. However, if you plan to add an external screen or other heavy stuff, it is probably a good thing.

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  • Filipe Ferreira 3 months ago
    Great footage, congrats
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  • moriza 3 months ago
    This is fantastic video, thanks for sharing.
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  • Lonny Quattlebaum 3 months ago
    Thanks for the before and after comparison. The color grading makes a big difference. Of course the Letus makes the raw footage look great too. I've been thinking about getting one for my HV30.
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  • RogerB1 3 months ago
    Excellent job!
    Just wondering. Does the new version of Magic Bullet Looks render as slow as the earier version?
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    No, the new version released for Sony Vegas renders no slower than 'normal speed x4'.
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  • Clintus McGintus 3 months ago
    I used to use Magic Bullet in Adobe Premiere Pro. Does anyone know if it's available for Final Cut Pro?

    Great work here.
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    Thank you. MBL seems to be available for FCP. redgiantsoftware.com/products/host-applications/apple-final-cut-pro/
  • Clintus McGintus 3 months ago
    cool thanks.
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  • Nicolás Raddatz 3 months ago
    Could you tell us more regarding your workflow?

    Did you use the camera on TV mode? Did you change contrast/sharpening? Any filters?

    What settings did you use regarding sharpening in Vegas? Did you use some kind of denoiser or similar filter?

    Would you mind sharing the exact rendering settings you used?

    I can't for the life of me get anything even close to this quality using an HV20 and vegas...
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 3 months ago
    Hi Nicolás

    I shot this in TV mode at 50i (I do use 25p also but not in this one). There were no filters on the camcorder - just the Letus and the Canon SLR lens. All my lenses do have high quality UV filters on but that's just for protection (no effect in those).

    The HG10 is set to neutral colors, so no extra contrast or sharpening in the HG10 (in this video). How sharp a camcorder is with an adapter attached comes down to the right installation.

    The only sharpening used in Vegas was 'unsharp mask' and 'sharpening'. Normally it's not recommended to use both at the same time - pros will tell you that this is 'over sharpened'. I have a tendency to do that :) I like it sharp...

    Settings:
    Unsharp mask - 0,350/0,080/0,000
    Sharpening - 0,250

    Magic bullet looks adds a lot of contrast and color as you will see if you watch the raw version of this video.

    For rendering, I use Eugenia's settings for Vegas Pro / MP4 (H.264).

    This (I believe) was rendered at a variable bit rate of 6-8mbps.

    Hope that helps.
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  • Adam Clare 3 months ago
    Interesting seeing the difference between the two clips. Prefer the MBL one - it has the edge for me. Nice job!!
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  • phusion 3 months ago
    wow
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  • mr larry 3 months ago
    Jagshemash, pepsi max. Wow wow whee wahhh
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  • Beyheef 1 month ago
    Bravo, beautiful video with great charm.
    Bravo, très belle video avec beaucoup de charme.
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  • Sami Takieddin 1 month ago
    Now that is *sharp*. Looks great! How are you liking the Letus35 Mini? Its out of my budget, so I'm thinking of getting a high quality DOF made for a third of the cost.
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 1 month ago
    I'm in love with the Letus :) I guess it was out of my range as well (especially considering that shipping and duty fees made it almost twice as expensive for me), but I do like to sometimes 'go cracy' and buy something extraordinary. I'm already an SLR user, so the lenses can be used on my Canon 30D as well.

    I'm sure I'd be happy about owning any of the alternatives as well, though. I made a page about the alternatives here:
    vimeo.com/hg10/forumtopic:321

    maybe that will give you some new info.

    All the best, Rico...
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  • jordanschmelzer 20 days ago
    your color grade ads such an insane amount of difference. nice vid!
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  • Ah! This was the footage that finally convinced me that I had to had an adapter!
    Superb
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  • jason artiga 12 days ago
    Excellent footage, I just bout a bj35adapter but I am trying to export hg10 mts files from sony Vegas to TMPGEnc 4.0 for the inverse telescene
    what is the best way to render sony vegas to for TMP?
  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 12 days ago
    I haven't worked with TMPGEnc, so I'm not sure what you want to do.

    Maybe you can find something here:
    vimeo.com/forum:Technical_Help
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  • Carlos Crooks 2 days ago
    Sweeet. Nice job man, lovin the color grading. I have MB Looks too, but I usually only use it for certain effects like soft focus. I usually do all my color grading the old school way in AE.
    But I like it!
    TK man peace.
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