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3. Multi Touch Light Table: GERGWERK
1 year ago
1. UNUSUAL BEHAVIOR
1 year ago
Senior Degree Project for the Kansas City Art Institute. DJ touch screen interface and gesture interaction concepts.

In San Francisco area looking for collaborators interested in discussing this project further.

To see process images, please visit: behance.net/gallery/Multi-Touch-Light-Table-gergwerk-/600092

you can see my other design work at: gergwerk.com

this project has a creative commons license of Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported.
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  • Isaac Viel 1 year ago
    Absolutely incredible! Great idea and UI. I hope to see this in a club sometime in the near future.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Thank you very much! I hope to as well :)
  • ratheen shroff 1 year ago
    What do you think about making this into an Android App?

    People can just use their own phone to mix music.

    It's a stretch, but there is enough processing power on the new phones, and any new phones with 4"+ screens can be used to mix two tracks.

    the number of functions can be reduced to save space, but i believe it's doable.

    do you have any code for this UI? wanna help me port it to Android?
  • kapnobatai 1 year ago
    useless for phones, as long as android phones will not have multichannel soundboard and 2 stereo outputs, this app will be only a childish gimmick.nevertheless, impressive work, congrats!
  • angus johnson 1 year ago
    a phone app wouldn't work... tablet device would fit it well.

    like an ipad. there already is external sound cards for it. and from what i have seen it has the power to handle the demands of the app.
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  • Tristan Hohne 1 year ago
    Impressive Show. I´ll visit the club not for dancing but watching your fingers sliding the Digital Turntables ;)
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    It would be quite a show, from both points of view :)
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  • Lanternativa 1 year ago
    Awesome!
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    thanks for the props!
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  • flipEvil 1 year ago
    Cool :)
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  • Kees Plattel 1 year ago
    This has some future!

    I like the interface and motion alot, in what framework was it build?
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  • venkman 1 year ago
    this is not what DJing is about.
  • Austin812 1 year ago
    What exactly is it about...?
  • Eric Bazilio 1 year ago
    To me, Djing is about flowing with the sounds available to you. A creative and ingenious endeavor which should never be limited by bouts of purism.
  • Munir Remahl 1 year ago
    A carpenter is using a fine-tooth hacksaw to cut-out detailed pony shapes in some MDF for his daughter's room.

    Greg Werk comes by an offers him a jigsaw he invented that does the same thing with a little less hassle and more appropriate for the context.

    The carpenter finishes his job.

    venkman comes by. He looks at the pony shapes. He looks at the jigsaw.

    He turns to the carpenter and tells him: "This is not what Carpentry is about."
  • OSXyZ 4 months ago
    @venkman, yeah, it's about snowboarding while djing and taking a picture at the same time doing it.

    gotta love the shmucks!
  • venkman 4 months ago
    haha chump.

    this ^ is a concept level electronic audio controller.
    this is DJing: youtube.com/watch?v=MTjxgEQRssQ

    well done with the controller, sorry my comment inspired ignorant replies from @OSXyZ and @Munir Remahl
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  • Reza plus 1 year ago
    great work!!!
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  • Chad Richard plus 1 year ago
    This is really interesting - lots of great ideas in here - great work.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Thanks so much for your support Chad!
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  • venkman 1 year ago
    hi gerg.. since you emailed to ask, [for me] it's about tactile feedback from turntables for one thing. it's ABOUT carrying your equipment with you and maybe even setting up in the dark. It's about digging for vinyl and digitally for new music. i'm not against new technology - i use serato and would welcome a fast (no latency) UI that would work on say a mobile device that did the same as serato - but still recognizing the need for a set of 1210s. oversize touchscreens with a star trek interface is a nice idea but not what DJing is about. i hope you have some luck with your mixing tool in the future.. maybe as an iPhone app or something. peas.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    hey venkman, glad you wrote back! I completely understand what you are saying about tactile feedback. I grew up watching my friends use vinyls and learned from them. I wont disagree there are lots of people that will be die hard turntable users. On the other side, there are lots of djs that are also excited about digital djing. There are so many kinds of djs now — whether they use vinyl, cd decks, controllers, and touch screens. I've learned there is nothing wrong with using any one of these devices. It's all about the music, regardless what tools a dj uses to play for the people.

    My solution for djs that prefer turntables are the manual audio outputs on the back of the table itself. It seems like a win-win situation because you can still plug in analogue equipment into the table.

    thanks for your feedback!
  • venkman 1 year ago
    alright word.
  • YOU ARE SĀF 1 year ago
    saying the following as a vinyl dj myself: music and the practice of music evolves. saying this isn't djing is like a guitar player saying djing isn't music. basically you are being resistive to new things and it's ultimately pointless.

    Playing the guitar will have its place, spinning vinyl will have its place (and I will personally prefer it), serato will have its place... and somewhere down the line a new generation of kids will fuuuuuck up a light table and us old folks will have the choice of either poo-pooing the new or being impressed and appreciative of the urge to take things forward.
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  • Werkplace 1 year ago
    Hey Greg, nice work. Are you interested in working in healthcare (EHRs) as an interaction designer?
  • Werkplace 1 year ago
    I taught briefly at KCAI in a former life
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  • DJ MadLogic 1 year ago
    Interesting.
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  • Paul Conigliaro plus 1 year ago
    This is some incredible UI/UX and design work. It really makes me miss spinning. I used to DJ on vinyl, but wish I had more control without having to add on more gear like a frankenstein lego experiment.
    It would be amazing to be able to pick up a 24" touch screen, plug in my USB drive, headphones and amp and go.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Thank you for your support.

    I agree! Hopefully we can get some production on this bad boy soon :)
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  • TheBerettaBlog 1 year ago
    Pretty cool but you gotta stay old school.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    props for that.
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  • Paolo Perre 1 year ago
    Man oh man! That was kinda like really great sex! Bravo on the work you've done - ingenious, elegant and inspiring!
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Thank you very much! This is just the beginning. Hopefully there will be lots more to come.
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  • kristina childs 1 year ago
    intriguing. there are a couple big UI changes i would make... i can see how this would work for some dj styles/habits and would fail miserably for others. my only gripe is that there's no real skill required to actually match beats, which is a HUGE part of being a dj... erm... a *real* dj. that said, my eyebrow is definitely raised and i'd be willing to talk offline about possible modifications/improvements if you're so inclined. i'll be blogging this along with my thoughts in earnest when i get a spare moment. big ups on the graphics, tho! nice clean look
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    I'd love to hear all of your ideas. Considering this is a mock up, there would need to be made changes accordingly to the real table.

    Although it matches bpm, that doesn't mean it automatically mixes songs for you. It still takes skill to make smooth transitions and know how for great mixes.
  • Enrico Forti 1 year ago
    Hi and great work! Your idea is very appealing and I can see real world applications for it, but at least for now I'm not buying the beatmatching procedure...

    ...what about introducing gestures to control the tempo? Personally I think the auto-beatmatch and the tap-tempo stuff on your system would be useless when djing for real.

    My suggestion would be to implement gestures that simply mimic what you can actually do today with vinyl or Pioneer CDJs (you already implemented lots of them, but I can't see any standard way to control tempo).

    Also, make a phone call to Pioneer! They desperately need something like this to fight Tracktor and the like.

    Keep us posted
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  • Any hopes of a visual mixer?!?!
  • DANIEL T STILLSON 1 year ago
    I thank if they made a 55" Multi Touch Light Table they can put a actual size visual digital mixer right in the middle of the visual digital turn tables right on the screen and make them look like the real thing or have djs make their own visual digital turn table set up from home and bring it to the club where the 55" Multi Touch Light Table is.

    I have all kinds of ideas for this Multi Touch screen for djs
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    yes, each dj could make their own digital setup, but the point of the project was not to create something that already exists (an exact replica of a mixer). The goal was to create something new, like combining the mixer into each deck. If there was a mixer between each deck, it sort of defeats the purpose of being able to control your eq's from each plate.
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  • Sam Morrill staff 1 year ago
    Any chance you could develop this for the iPad? I know the screen would be substantially smaller, but it could be fun.
  • Native Creation 1 year ago
    I was thinking the same thing, iPad app with a lite version? Perhaps a deck for a single ipad. Put ipads together to create decks and such.
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  • Hao Su 1 year ago
    Very interesting concept. It'd be hard with this interface to do things like fade two parts of the equalizer on a single track unless the system could process multiple gestures at once.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    My hope is for the 'process multiple gestures at once' :)
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  • Oscar Falcón Lara 1 year ago
    Wow, this is amazing work; is this table/rig available for experimentation yet? would love to try it for myself.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Not quite yet! I would love to try it for myself too hahah.
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  • ilkerde 1 year ago
    Amazing!
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  • NickNack 1 year ago
    Lovely! I just posted to our blog:
    gigacrate.com/Blog/?p=893

    Any chance you'd be up for an interview?
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  • TerraBeat 1 year ago
    I would love to try this! Congratulations, looks fantastic!
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Thanks for your support!
  • TerraBeat 1 year ago
    You´re welcome. Would love to be updated about this project. Will it be available soon to the general public? Keep up the good work!
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  • GianPaJ 1 year ago
    Cool project and nice UI! You should add pitch bend in order to sync the beats more precisely. Also, correct me if i'm wrong, u mentioned that it's not useful to have a flat screen. But that's what u're using. It's just a touch screen.
    Instead of rotating your fingers to imitate a knob turning, you used a straight line gesture using multiple gestures which I think it's a brilliant solution.
    But in my opinion you still are looking at the screen, rather than feeling with your fingers (as on a hardware mixer or midi-controller).
    Last thing and then you can tell me to STFU :)
    A black background with a dark UI style would be more suited for a club environment.

    Peace
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Thanks for the feedback :) good suggestions! The things you mentioned should be addressed in the production - great things to keep in mind!
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  • Daniel Goggin 1 year ago
    Hell yes dude! I had no idea you were doing sick shit like this. Let me know if you ever wanna colab, I'm working on some interactive visual stuff right now.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    very cool! represent the KC
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  • DANIEL T STILLSON 1 year ago
    Like to see this on a 55" or 60" Multitouch DJ table screen.
    I was thanking about this type of technology years ago for djs out in the clubs
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  • justin adams 1 year ago
    I am very interested in the project and I live in the Easy Bay are. Would love to chat about this! Heading down to SoCal for the week, but I will be back this weekend!
  • DANIEL T STILLSON 1 year ago
    San Diego?
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Justin- sounds good. Just send me an email or message!
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  • DANIEL T STILLSON 1 year ago
    Make sure you guys use Gorilla Glass in your Multitouch DJ Table Screens

    corning.com/gorillaglass/index.aspx
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  • Enrique Arce 1 year ago
    what did u used to develop this software?
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  • Luke Brooks 1 year ago
    Hey Gerg, ignore the haters. This is an amazing piece of interactive design. Program looks awesome and functions well. I'd love to know more about the table it self i.e LCD, rear projection, FTIR or DI.

    I really hope you share or sell the program because I can't wait to build my new multi-touch table just so I can use this!
  • Dave Irvine 1 year ago
    I'd also love some details on the physical hardware. How do you find the lag? Last time I built a multitouch table it suffered pretty badly from noticeable lag. Not unusable, but for high response applications like DJing it would need fixing. Did you do anything specific, or just some fancy pc driving the blob detection?
  • TechStyleLAB 1 year ago
    Just incredible work!

    I'd also love to know more about the illumination method you are using (FTIR, DSI, LLP) and what software / language you used to develop the interface.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Thanks for your support guys. A common misunderstanding is that the table is actually built. I would love to answer these questions for you all, but it's only a video for now. The non-functional mock-up was meant to demonstrate my user interface design, motion graphic and video production skills. I'm looking for some help now on the back end!
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  • Anthony Kanmaz 1 year ago
    noone carries their mixer/cables/turntables to clubs. all they need is vinyls/cds.
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  • Anthony Kanmaz 1 year ago
    this is not cool. this is so not DJing. i dont like this. please stop being a cunt to the electronic music industry. thanks.
  • Luke Brooks 1 year ago
    Hahaha Anthony, thanks for being so supportive of new creative ways of using technology. Yes this probably won't replace traditional DJ'ing but its a new interesting way to play and mix music, but still there's no reason to be a dick about it.
  • Anthony Kanmaz 1 year ago
    try your oarsum touchscreens on making sandwiches or pooping or something. dont touch the music. please. vinyl djing is already dead which is not one bit cool. and now this? at least let us keep the CDs!

    also, i am not being a dick. i am involved in technology myself as i work at a apple store as a technician in melbourne, also a visual/motion designer for a post production company and not to mention disc-jockeying. this is not cool, noone finds this cool down here. this is like saying a big "F*CK YOU" to the electronic music industry.

    Regards
  • kristina childs 1 year ago
    now, i wouldn't say that exactly. i had the same feeling when traktor came out, and yes, if you use it for simple two deck mixing it's *totally* cheating and those people can't be considered DJs. But if you take a technology like that and really run with it - say for a 4 or 6 deck mix, cutting up tracks on the fly and really using the extra time you save by syncing up your bpms beforehand it can be a very cool cutting-edge performance.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Hey Anthony, some people need help pooping. Maybe there will be a model someday that does that, and you'll be thanking whoever made it when you're old.

    On a more serious note, There is something great about different djs using their preferred tools to play music. I've learned there is nothing wrong with using any one of these devices. It's all about the music, regardless what tools a dj uses to play for the people.

    Yes, this does match bpm. But if you're using CD's, doesn't a cdj also auto match the bpm too? I'm not 'touching' the music, it is an alternative way to mix music using a touch screen. This project was meant to offer a new design for a multi touch surface. If I went into class with an exact mock up of traktor, I wouldn't really be designing anything for class, would I?

    Kristina, I agree that digital djing offers lots of opportunities for things like adding more than two decks. I don't know if I really consider it 'cheating', because a dj still has to mix in the track and make it sound gooood. A dj that uses 6 decks that sounds shitty, is shitty. If a dj that only uses 2 decks sounds good, well let the man (or woman) play. Just like brian liu down further in the post said, "the user's preference of device is up to the user, but in the end it is all about the music."

    Thanks for everyone's feedback!
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  • scribe scribe 1 year ago
    one piece of feedback: the tap for bpm thing is great, and very musical, for cueing up your next track to beat match with the track playing, or keeping it in time with the other. but it's not so good, for modulating the bpm for one track playing (when a dj sometimes needs to speed up, or slow down, a song, relative only to itself). this is a task that, using tap, is very hard for most people, even musicians to do (see steve reich's piano music for an example). maybe you have something else that was not in the demo. but if not, i would suggest adding up/down arrows above/below the bpm (or next to it) to manually raise and lower it. i would also suggest a finger motion that creates wide range bpm sliding for more dramatic bpm modulation.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    A good suggestion Scribe. It would have to be experimented with on a built prototype for sure!
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  • This is already an amazing start. I would love to see this expanding by adding a digital drum machine for example.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    I'm glad you chose to use the word you did. This is not a final solution, just the start of something new. I had ideas to design drum machines and a synth, but 3 months of class flies by quickly!
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  • KTdesigner 1 year ago
    Awesome. Great work
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Thank you very much! :)
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  • jarito 1 year ago
    ace! just blogged this - bit.ly/bEjvMG

    cheers.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    dopee! thanks Jarito
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  • Katherin Torres 1 year ago
    Great!!!
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  • DJ RNDM 1 year ago
    Unfortunately Im a dj with a turntablist background so this really has no use for me. I think everyone with an ipod already thinks that they're a dj so you might as well take this one step further and have this start mixing for the user. Just let them add songs to a queue and apply FX on the go. I've already contributed to the digital downfall of djing by switching to serato (solely for the reason of being able to remix music videos live)-- and advancing vinyl's demise bothers me. This project goes even further by removing any history or opportunity for people to learn the background of dj culture because of the removal of a proper tool set. Making transportation 'easier' wont help progress the art form. I feel like you've taken the worst aspect of new school djing-- the monitor and tried to make it the highlight rather than the stigma that it really is. We spend too much time in front of computer monitors, televisions, smart phones, etc and djing should have you focus on the sound and feel it rather than staring into a monitor for someone else's visual representation of it. It's a cool project and a nice interface but I still question the philosophy and lack of progression. I suppose my opinion could be changed if there was a scratch mechanic or something that added more of expressive element-- maybe you incorporate audio responsive visuals that allow the dj to also vj. Just ideas. Good luck.
  • Harold Cabezas 1 year ago
    ....You brought up great suggestions...
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    I agree, this way of djing is not for purist, like yourself. Which is why, and I'm not sure you caught it in the video or not, there are audio hookups in the back of the module so you can plug your turntables in. I am a believer that there are many ways to do things, not one perfect way. Everyone has their own style and preference.

    There are so many kinds of djs now — whether they use vinyl, cd decks, controllers, and touch screens. I've learned there is nothing wrong with using any one of these devices. It's all about the music, regardless what tools a dj uses to play for the people.

    If you believe that there is a digital downfall, you should probably stick to turntables and let others play the way they want to play.

    Although it does match bpm, it does not automatically mix songs. This takes skill and practice to know how to flow songs into each other nicely. It will keep people who don't mix well out of clubs, and the ones who do, in. You don't see everyone with digital controllers being pros, do you? It matches bpm just like cdjs.

    I appreciate your feedback.
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  • Tyler Bell 1 year ago
    Just posted some links. Digg included.

    What you have so far is amazing. It looks so intuitive and natural.

    I'm totally going to follow your work, I would love to see this in clubs / raves.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Thank you very much. I hope to see it there too :)
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  • Rene Kasbergen 1 year ago
    Interface design: very good.
    Interaction design: not so good.

    On regular DJ equipment, sliders and knobs have physical boundaries: you know by feel alone if you have reached the min or max of a control. Also, things like crossfaders and L/R-balance knobs have little 'dents' in the exact middle that you can feel.

    In your concept, the lack of physical constraints on the controls forces the DJ to keep looking at the screen for visual feedback on his actions.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    You bring up some great points. Perhaps if the table was at an angle? Not having physical cues for these things will cause the dj to interact with their equipment differently than an analogue setup. I considered having the nobs built in, but the flexibility is now lost in changing the setup on the fly.
  • Josh Goodwin 8 months ago
    Maybe haptic feedback could help this. "technology that takes advantage of a user's sense of touch by applying forces, vibrations, and/or motions to the user."

    It could buzz (vibrate) when you hit the end of a knob or slider. You could have it buzz to the bpm of one table. You have a lot of unused space around it, you could have areas that trigger this tactile feed back.
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  • Improveeze 1 year ago
    Great work ! Lot of good ideas ! Congrat :-)
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Thank you for your support!
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  • LATTY 1 year ago
    This is an awesome concept!! My guess is that something like this will be future regardless of all the arguments about feel etc. I remember all the arguments for and against CD turntables when they first came on the scene.

    Possibly needs some level meters incorporated somehow tho. Looking forward to more.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    I agree, there will always be turntablists and djs that use cdjs, whether touch screens become the norm or not. I was hoping to see both come together in the club for a great show.

    That's a good point about level meters. My solution is hopefully just the beginning to get people thinking about the endless possibilities of interface and interaction design :)
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  • This is an "User Experience design". Bravo
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Thanks!
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  • Harold Cabezas 1 year ago
    Gerg:

    Amazing. Thanks for pushing the envelope. I enjoyed your answer with regards to vinyl and digital. We need more digital options like yours. Interestingly enough, the more digital options we get, the more vinyl will appreciate and become a treasure. Vinyl is going nowhere, it will always be with us, even in limited form. Keep it up!! ::)
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Thanks for your support! I enjoyed your comment very much. :)
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  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    Thanks for the re-post and support! :)
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  • Afro:Baile 1 year ago
    Cool man! Way to Kill the REAL DJ. go digital and sound like shit, just like 90% of Wack fake DJs do today. Great invention.
  • GERG WERK 1 year ago
    So you're saying anyone who uses digital files "kills" a "real dj"? Last time I checked, anyone mixing with cds is still using a digital file.
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  • Taylor Pemberton 1 year ago
    What kind of development did this undergo? I'm really interested in building something similar for a final portfolio.
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