Very nice bridge flick... I'm a civil engineer by education so I also see more than the average passing beauty of a bridge.

I havn't come across CartoonR... I'll go check it. Thanks.

.... got it...

Papajohn, the pencil drawing effect looks cool and fascinates me. The sample gallery in that website link shows potential. Maybe a new toy for me to play with.

kruzer, that art rendering at the start of your video link looks like a painting. That was cool too.

I can see from your picture you'd like the pencil sketching... it might fit in well well with some of your videos.

Thanks for posting this PapaJohn. I've downloaded the wmv to keep as a handy reference.

You're welcome James...

Magic and interesting however, is this a PhotoStory?

Not at all... the only reason I put it here was that I used it to prep the pix for my "Video to Story..." the other day, which got lots of interest.

Jan... you raise a good point... many times I wonder if it's appropriate for something to be added to the Photo Story Magic channel.

I don't know where to draw the line... and wouldn't at all hesitate to pull one that crossed it, one of mine or, as a moderator, one from another.

Most public archives know a clean start but due to the high rate of freedom, the number of channels, groups and projects and tags they finally end-up into a wilderness.

Due to the lack on structure (subjects, tags, common language) making that files become untraceable to others.

Then, everyone starts creating his own little world within Vimeo, and shouting: "please dump your PhotoStories here"........and "Travel here, but only HD".

Due to this freedom, the number of members and videos is growing fast, so the whole will sooner or later become a trade object (Yahoo, Google, MS).

Enough for now, let's make fun....

I dropped this out of the Photo Story Magic channel... it'll still be here in my set of videos.

I don't want to dilute the growing interest in the real purpose of the channel, making great stories.

I'd feel it much more personally if we were discussing some stranger's contribution which we collectively decided to remove.

It's a good exercise in calibrating what we want for channel content.

I fully agree with PapaJohn and make a note on my TODO list that I should clean up my little corner in the PSM channel.
Maybe it should become a real Gallery of A-class stories(quality versus quantity), with due reference though to the "tutorial" stuff, that maybe we should keep in our personal part of the Vimeo website.

On the other hand I believe that we should continue to actively promote PhotoStory. If it wasn't for my poking around everywhere and spreading the information we wouldn't have Ren Yen amongst us now (to be honest, that is one of the few positive result of my efforts so far)

I feel that we should try to trim down on the number of videos in the PSM channel, while at the same time to expand in terms of subscribers.

One last remark: maybe we should have these kind of general discussions elsewhere, the Forum for instance. But of course it is difficult to know in advance that a remark on someone's work will take such a very "fundamental" turn as it was the case here.

Mission accomplished

By the way, I have deleted at the same time all those PSM-yourname channels I created months go to keep tack of who had published what, but in fact never used

Its is all up to John Lauwers to master/moderate his channel or not.

And now it is up to PapaJohn to delete this discussion from his Cartoonizer video, as I made a mistake to start this discussion on his piece of work.

Hi Ray,

I understand your comment however, since this video is only part of PapaJohn's private collection, there is only one moderator left: PapaJohn.

Please understand my comments: they are of tutorial nature to show how Vimeo ownership works.

I have started this discussion only to verify what the PSM is or should be.

Hi, Jan. I think I understand your intentions very well, and I'm in total sympathy with them. My interest is in trying to insure that this valuable exchange among three people I very much respect doesn't get buried or expunged, but rather is prominently available to anyone who takes this PhotoStory enterprise seriously and wants to contribute to its growth and integrity.

Hold it guys, this discussion is getting out of hand !!!

In my opinion (which is only worth as much as that of anybody else)
- Jan posted a legitimate question
- PapaJohn answered it correctly
- And consequently retired his video from the PSM channel
- But it is not deleted of course and still available on his part of the Vimeo site
- Fine, because it is good tutorial stuff, and this way it can be consulted by anyone
- Together with the text of this long discussion, containing some interesting ideas
- I immediately followed his example, and cleaned my corner of the PSM channel
- And I would suggest everyone to do likewise

One remark I must add: I am not the “master” of the PSM channel. I started this thing about six months ago, and within a couple of hours PapaJohn and Ray had already joined me. Right from the start I have considered the moderator’s group to be a kind of “steering comittee”, and taking a look at the list of those who joined us later, I think that this is the finest, diversified and most competent group of individuals one can put around a discussion table around this subject.

Let us start using the channel’s forum pages for an in depth brainstorming on what we expect from this channel, starting from some of the ideas put down in these comments. As I am reading them once again, I suspect that Jan will give the kick-off: I assume that he has been thinking about these issues a lot, but never had an opportunity to lay his card on the table.

I went through the PSM channel and pruned the rest of my items that were not at least partially made with Photo Story 3... the recent Chicago Bean and Ann Arbor art fair ones were some of them.

Those that include story clips made for Movie Maker projects and combined with video clips remain, not filtered by any criteria about how much was done by PS3... it could be much less than 50%.

I'll leave these comments. In retrospect they might be better in a PSM forum but I don't see any value in moving them.

All this is getting a bit too serious. I put my little mud-pies on the channel at John L's urging, but now I don't know what to do. (They were all made in PhotoStory by default--I don't know how to do anything else.) Maybe flag them as not for viewing by persons under sixteen to get attention. What I just did, though, is put Jan's Triumph of the Woodpigeon on the PS channel. What fun is it if I can't use the power of the office given me to play favorites. (Just kidding: this clip of Jan's is the very model of what I think PS can do--and next thing I know, Jan will tell me he didn't make it in PS!)

Here it is 9 months later... this video has no Likes and isn't in any noteworthy channels or groups such as PSM. But it's my first vimeo flick to be viewed over 1,000 times.

Go figure!!! Better yet, don't figure, just make videos.

Ray, the .vdf file is a plugin. Most plugins don't work alone (some do). They often work with various apps.

In my case, I have Virtual Dub in a folder, and a folder named plugins below it. In that plugin folder is 5 vdf files, one of them MSU_Cartoonizer.vdf

When I open VirtualDub, I use the menu to Video > Filters - the Cartoonizer and other plugin are included in the selection list.

If you don't have VirtualDub installed, you need to start with it.