Here he's taken an ancient classical subject, Madonna and Child, which you can see incised into the clay under here. It's not particularly sophisticated drawing, although it is actually inscribed, I think, touching it, but here you can see them if you look carefully, and of course he's dressed the Madonna with these spots of copper which have come out red, and a little bit of blue at the top. So it's a semi-abstract piece which, when you look at it, you can just begin to see the qualities of it. You can either see it as a Madonna... he's directed our attention, you know. He says this is Madonna so we start to look at it as Madonna. If we haven't looked at the label we might very easily miss this decoration.

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