I suppose again for me a judge of anything is 'Does it stand the test of time?' I could go upstairs and I could point to things which are from the 18th century and medieval periods which have just got such a timelessness about them. And for me looking at this again it doesn't have that appeal whatsoever. It's just dead clay to me really. And I think even the graphic element I think is so ... you know, what is it? It doesn't have any graphic qualities at all. I think the glaze obliterates the drawing. There's no truth to material in any sense which these guys preached about.

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