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This is a super test combining multiple elements. Most of the shots were done with a Twoneil 35mm adapter (modified w/ Opteka macro). and most were done at 1/100 shutter, 24pf. I used my tripod (in a specific way) as a steadicam. I used TV Mode with low contrast and color depth.

I wanted to demonstrate simply the possibility for excellent footage from a Twoneil (when Opteka is added), and when it is useful.

It represents my new workflow for short films to come.
(Note: the video is a bit darker on here than I thought it was)

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  • Carlos Crooks 1 year ago
    Sick man! I love it!
    p.s. Why did you use 1/100th shutter speed?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thanks for commenting man
    Higher shutter speeds will give more sharpness to motion. That isn't even that high; its what I try to shoot, minimum. Think of it like Saving Private Ryan, where you can see each piece of dirt. (1/200 about)
  • Carlos Crooks 1 year ago
    I c man, very nice. I'm shooting a short atm and I will see how it fits in. TY for the advise.
    Pe@ce
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    No prob. You'll need to use TV Mode to change it. If its dark, don't make it too high, or it will get noisy because not enough light gets in.

    I'm replacing this vid with a brighter version, should be ready in an hour.
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  • Nice video. Very film-like. However, it is too dark.
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you chico. I'd like to say that I've seen your videos before and one of them is in my favs. Its hard to get in my favs.

    I'm uploading a brighter version to fix the monitor issue.
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  • Kristoffer Jansson 1 year ago
    Awsome!!!! this is the best video I've seen with the twnoneil adapter. I have also ordered the twoniel adapter, waiting to get my in about 2-3 weeks. Do you have any pictures of your modification?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you so much. Unfortunately, I can't get any pics up easily, but I will in the future when I get a chance. The Opteka macro is 30$ on amazon and makes a huge diff. You'll need that at 52mm and a step down ring from 52mm to 43mm to attach to the back of the twoneil as well as a step up 43-52 to attach to the cam.
    I wanted to show the real potential of the twoneil, without burnout or blurriness.
  • Kristoffer Jansson 1 year ago
    amazon.com/Opteka-Professional-Pentax-Digital-Cameras/dp/B001A5IB7I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1219174507&sr=8-1

    Is that the macro lens you use?
    Do you have any url, where I can find the step down ring and the step up ring?
    I would really appreciate it if you have :)
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Yes, it is indeed.
    The rings are:
    shop.com/Tiffen_52_43mm_Step_Down_Ring-19651667-26990552-p!.shtml?sourceid=298
    and
    amazon.com/gp/product/B0002GVX8A
    Another option I think is that Twoneil says you can find a 55-57 ring, which can attach a 55mm opteka to the gg holder. Then you would need a 43-55 step up.
  • Kristoffer Jansson 1 year ago
    Ok, so if I understand you correct, The Opteka 10x Macro lens should be attached to the back of the twoneil adapter? First you have the cam, then step up ring 43-52, then Opteka Macro 10x, then a step down ring 52-43, then the twoneil adapter?
    Sorry for making myself sound really stupid, but is that correct?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Yes, or a 43-55 step up, a 55 macro, a 55-57 step up, and then the twoneil with the last ring removed. That is a little more concise.
  • Kristoffer Jansson 1 year ago
    aah, okej, thxz!
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  • Greg Wallis 1 year ago
    Nicely done, I'm looking forward to the brighter version.

    Am I right in thinking that the TwoNeil adapter doesn't flip the image? And if so, how easy is it to work with?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    It doesn't flip, and it is a challenge. But its not so bad, you have to teach yourself how to move the cam. Its like a reverse joystick on a game. And with an opteka, its like letus quality, but smaller and extremely cheap.

    Thank you for commenting, and you probably saw the bright version. ;) The dark was by mistake not very visible.
  • Greg Wallis 1 year ago
    Ah, OK! :)
  • Tynan 1 year ago
    If using a non-flipped adaptor - 'pull' the object/area of interest towards the centre of your LCD - rather than attempt to point the camera towards what it is you want to frame.

    This works very well indeed.
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  • monso 1 year ago
    very very nice...
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you man
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  • Clan McCloud plus 1 year ago
    very cool. very stylized. love it.
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you.
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  • Apuat 1 year ago
    Was this shot with the new Twoneil HD or the static adapter?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Haha, very perceptive of you. EDIT: The HD is vibrating... it has an achromat, which seals it from dust. This is just his normal adapter with an 30$ Opteka macro attached. Essentially, that makes it a Twoneil HD. Twoneil hasn't yet released the HD also.
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  • Apuat 1 year ago
    VERY impressive.
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you greatly. I hope to have a short film up with my new workflow sometime soon.
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  • Tynan 1 year ago
    Nice footage !! Very nice. Love the red/green thing you have got going on.

    What did you use to do the colour grading ?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you kindly, Tynan. The theme was quite dark this time. Colour was Magic Bullet Looks, but, and this is a big but, I just used colour and luma curves to do a custom grade. I did not use any presets. These can be found in any editor, and they are the same in every one. Magic Bullet just has an interface which I feel is easier to use than my editor's.
  • Tynan 1 year ago
    Cheers for the info.
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  • Chris Morgan 1 year ago
    very nice!
    quick question though, how do you set low contrast and color depth in tv mode?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you Chris.
    Its in the image control in the main menu. Just change it to custom and choose 'set'.
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  • Luke 77 1 year ago
    Very nice footage and editing. I really like the darkness of the shots.

    What song is that btw?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you Incubust. This piece was definitely one of my darker ones. The song is Alligators Getting Up by Curve. Their best song, in my opinion..
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  • Troglored 1 year ago
    You've got a nack for great looking shots. I agree that there were parts where it was too dark... but just parts. DO NOT lighten the whole thing!

    Try adding just a hint more contrast (just a smidge). Instead of lightening the too dark parts (like the guy at the very beginning) just lose them.

    I repeat... DO NOT just apply brightness to this whole clip. Most of it would be ruined by that.

    Beautiful. You've talent with a camera.
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  • Troglored 1 year ago
    I take back the contrast suggestion. Won't work.
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you again. Yes the whole darkness problem was that this wasn't sinking up with what I saw in my editor. I learned that Vimeo darkens in conversion. This piece is very dark, so hopefully in the future w/ other styles that won't be an issue.

    Thank you for the suggestions. And don't worry, I will, should time permit, redo the original file to work with Vimeo. But now, on to stories!
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  • MR. BEAR 1 year ago
    Great work!
    since you are familiar with Magic Bullets do you happen to know if Magic Bullets works with Final Cut Express?

    Once again excellent footage!
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Well the site doesn't list compatibility, but you don't need it. Just use curves
    Thank you Mr. Bear
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  • decay79 1 year ago
    The style is nice, the colour treatment as well.
    The problem is that it's extremely dark
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    With some monitors, this has been a problem. Others, no. It is a dark piece, as dark as it could go. Certain screens, such as many tvs, use 'enhancements' that will blow out the contrast, and because nothing is very bright in this piece, that means that it gets blown out. If your viewing conditions are optimal, visibility should be fine, like on an overcast day.
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  • Fleants plus 1 year ago
    that video was better that my last relationship, lol.
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Lol, that was hilarious. Thank you man.
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  • I just got the HG10, I'm going to be shooting music videos.
    The look you've created here is phenomenal, its very close
    to the look I hope to achieve. Can you tell me what settings you used, as well as what in addition to the HG10 I'll need to purchase. Thanx
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Cool, that's a complex question. Right off the bat I'll say that you should look into 35mm adapters and color/luma curves. Those are the 2 biggest things behind this look, but off course it just gets more complex beyond that.
    I'll send a message with more later, but refer to HV20.com to learn everything, its really the best community for any cam, ever.
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  • Thanx a mil
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  • Paul Tarlevs 1 year ago
    Hold on a second...you put it in slow motion in 24p? I thought that you were supposed to you 60i for smoother footage. So does that mean it's ok to do slow motion in 24p?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    That's a complicated one. You can use 24p for slomo if you have something called Twixtor, or at least Timewarp in Adobe Premiere/AE. The slo mo won't look as good as if you shot in 60i though. For this piece all the live action stuff was shot in 24p, and all the slo mo in 60i. For the 60i, I used each interlaced line group as a frame and the slowed it down 40% so that each of the sixty frames would be used as a 24p frame.
    Then for the super slo mo jumps, I used Twixtor to slow the slo mo down another 50%, to bring it down to 20% of the original speed.
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  • Carson Kuehne 1 year ago
    What song is this and who is it by?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    "Thank you Incubust. This piece was definitely one of my darker ones. The song is Alligators Getting Up by Curve. Their best song, in my opinion.. "
    Of the Trip Hop genre in the 90s. Might want to look into 'Hell Above Water' by Curve. I'll be using another classic trip hop in a future vid.
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  • Faran Ghahremani 1 year ago
    Sweet man, but i have a hardcore request, could you tell of everything that you mounted on the camera, and maybe tell me where i could get them. thanks a bunch
    loved it
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you Faran.
    The items were twoneil with opteka, merkury wide angle, and a 20$ sunpack tripod from ritz camera.
    Links have already been posted above, here is the twoneil:
    hv20.com/showthread.php?t=2825
    And the 52 mm merkury wide angle is on amazon.
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  • Paul Tarlevs 1 year ago
    What video editing software did you use for this? If Sony Vegas I REALLY need to know your rendering setting.
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    That would be Premiere. And I spent a lot of time getting the workflow right so there would be no noise. The original 1080p version of this was perfect, far better than this noisy job. Use standard mpeg2 compression, if there is a setting like that.
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  • Nowawes plus 1 year ago
    great pictures - i really love it!!
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you Nowawes.
    There is more to come.
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  • Michael J. 1 year ago
    Ah! So you have the same setup as I do! How are you liking it? Your footage is great! Very well done!
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you Mike, frankly I am liking it a lot. This was my first test with the setup, and now I'll actually use it to tell stories. The size and weight of this setup as well as the wavy cmos basically makes handheld untenable. So here I tried to do something that anyone in the know will appreciate - maintaining focus while using the tripod as a steadicam.
  • Nestor Policarpio 1 year ago
    Actually, that brings up a question of mine. How did you maintain focus while moving? It doesn't look like you did a hand focus otherwise there'd be more shake but you could have steady hands. :)
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you. This is the first time someone asked this, as steadicam + non-flipping twoneil was the main technical point of the shoot. How I maintained focus was by moving on the spherical plane perpendicular to the object, and never leaving it forwards or backwards. While keeping the camera the same distance from the object, there is still much movement that can be done on that axis. Also when using the tripod as a steadicam, there will be shake to a focus pull, but it will be smoothed out. I did this in my new thriller film.
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  • Santi Trujillo 1 year ago
    wow I really like it. Nice shoots and great edit. About the darkness, I think that the good balance between the light and shade is a very nice effect. Well done.
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you Santi. Everyone is viewing it on different monitors and in different lighting conditions, and sometimes the style makes it hard too see. (I too have experienced this) I would say that the best viewing condition is on a non-matte screen in a dark room. Thank you very much again.
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  • Thomas Kaltz 1 year ago
    What SLR lens did you use? Was it Opteka -> Twoniel -> SLR LENS -> Merkury Wide Angle?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    It was Nikon Series E 50mm 1.8.
    Its the cheapest, lightest, most inexpensive option.
    1.4 would give a better image but is heavier and costly.
    I did not use the wide at the same time, but the order was right. A Raynox 6600 would be best, but it is heavy and expensive. Using heavier options will require rail supports.
  • Thomas Kaltz 1 year ago
    What do you mean by "I did not use the wide at the same time"?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    I used just that on the camera when the adapter wasn't on. Its not high quality enough to use with the adapter. For the camera, its pretty sharp.
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  • Frederic Vercammen plus 1 year ago
    I love the colors
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you Frederic.
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  • Paul Tarlevs 1 year ago
    LOL. this video gives me an indiana jones feel. This is great. I've been meaning to ask you this a long time ago, what exact shutter speed do you recommend? Like I think you said 1/100 is good for outdoors or something?

    Also if I'm shooting in low light what should I shoot in? 24p,30p or 60i? and what shutter speed.

    Also, what shutter speed in 60i should I use for the best slow motion clips? 1/2000?

    oh and also what shutter would you recommend for standard situations?? 1/60?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Film framerate is always 24. This means that to get the authentic look, shoot everything but slo mo in 24. Do slo mo in 60. When it comes to shutter, that is a subjective decision. I find that higher is almost always better looking - with 2 exceptions, in rotation around a subject or following a fast subject, the blur can look cool if its not 35mm, and panning fast with high shutter in non-35mm can cause HD stutter.
    I'd personally say go as high as possible before gain kicks in (inside or outside), and you know when that is.
    Here is an article to help:
    hd24.com/dont_shudder_at_the_judder.htm
    And here is a 1/2000 video that really shows what i mean by high is pretty:
    vimeo.com/953911
    vimeo.com/448895
    Look at the flying dirt with the dog on that last one.
    And just for fun, a great article on faking 35 with zoom:
    bluesky-web.com/dofmyth.htm
  • Paul Tarlevs 1 year ago
    Alright thank you man this helped a lot. But the reason why I asked about the low light situation is because I heard that 30p is better in low light. But if you recommend 24p, ill use 24p.

    You have been the nicest person I've asked questions to since I got the cam. I'm glad you saw my post on hv20.com. Thanks so much. I really appreciate it.

    Oh and when I shoot in 60i for slow motion, should I use the highest shutter possible?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    The framerate won't make any difference, except for the fact that lower framerates allow lower shutter speed. But its very video like to use any shutter speed less than 1/2 of the framerate, such a 1/24. So framerate should never affect you. Now with 60i, definitely use the highest shutter possible, before gain kicks in.
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  • I feel that opening reverse shot of the puddle is the most 'filmic' look I've seen produced from the Canon HV20/30. Any thought on why that could be? My thoughts are actually that it's the 'brown' that's causing it to look more like film. Adding a slight brown colorization to video seems to make it look more hollywood. I'll need to experiment with this more.
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    The way CMYK film process captures color is that it distorts colors slightly as they get to the right color layer. The result is actually a slightly 'warmer' image, kind of like what happens with analog audio. So therefore the brown appearance is definitely a factor. But much more important is the gamma (luma) curve and initial contrast level. The possibility for the subtle brown coloration was made possible by an initial sharp drop in contrast. The richness of filmic contrast was then added back in with luma.
    Thank you Luke. The standards of color distortion does not apply to newer films that are enhanced digitally. We may see what we view as filmic changing.
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  • Paul Tarlevs 1 year ago
    Whatr tripod you use, and what would you highly recommend?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Just a Sunpack 2001UT from the ritz shop. 20$.
    Its great for steadicam work. But as a good tripod, Velbon DV-7000 is best. 120$. Though Rodriguez always says to use a dinky tripod so that for most shots you get the camera off it and moving.
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  • kyle grindling 1 year ago
    Sage, Did you follow twoneils recommendation and add a nikon extension tube ring 3 before adding the opteka, or did you simply just put the opteka on the back of the adaptor? He says to add a ring but i dont get it , because i thought you were supposed to get the ground glass as close to the opteka as possible? how would adding a ring help?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    At the time I did this, there was no extension. But since then, I got the extension, and it really perfects the image. The edges still showed aberrations before, but now its really clean and sharp. Its also harder to forget to zoom in (like I did in this shoot), because you can clearly see the edges fully zoomed out. I believe it keeps the image in the finest part of the glass, which makes all the difference.
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  • 19-05 1 year ago
    Very nice video, Sage! I liked slowmo and how you cut entire video. CC is great too.
    Love 0:32 piece)
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you for that great comment.
    The ferns shot is one of my favorites as well.
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  • Scott Hampton 1 year ago
    The opening, :12, :24... those were some amazing shots.

    What's your theory on the color grading? It looks like you've developed a palette that you're comfortable with.
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you Scott. I have seen your videos through HV20.com. You certainly do your research.

    The color grading I break down into these general steps, as it is always changes with each image:
    TV Mode - gives the base critical sharpness (higher shutter/improved detail) and color/gamma info
    Reduce Contrast Sharply - 'wipes the slate clean' to add your own gamma ratios to simulate the ratios of film
    Knee Down the Luma Curve - the critical part where you add the 'film lighting'
    Play with Color Curves - open ended for the mood, create a mono colored image, or play with color contrast between the light and dark parts of the curves

    Other Points - add or subtract brightness before curves and after contrast, and possibly add after the whole process. This can be critical to getting the luma to fall where you want it. Also possibly add a bit of black diffusion to simulate film, especially when without an adapter. Last, try adding different effects to see what happens, its all up to you.
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  • Scott Hampton 1 year ago
    Wow, that's intense!

    I've been a fan of Aperture Priority, since there's no full-time total manual control, but the Tv mode looks promising for some things.

    LOL on the research. Yeah, I'm really interested in this stuff. Can't wait to put my findings to my new short.
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    You know, I control both by first choosing my preferred shutter speed (usually 1/100, at least 1/60) and then setting aperture by using the exposure slider and continuously pressing the photo button. Although there is hardly any bokeh, so I usually just set the aperture to full open and choose a higher shutter, which looks pretty. This is some great high shutter work:
    vimeo.com/953911
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  • Richard Che 1 year ago
    Oh yes, I likey. At the end it should of said Twoneil, as an advertisement for the adapter haha. You spin me right round, yes we need more spinning! I like the girl with the hat's outfit :D Anyways great job!
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Lol thank you. Its the adapter + opteka.
    I tried to advertise how important the opteka is, in a way.
    You make reference to Blue Monday!
    I liked both the original and the remake.
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  • Sean Harper 1 year ago
    Hi there, I have to ask, will leaving vivd contrast as well as tv mode make it harder to do post production video editing?

    and also, my camera has a lot of gain and noise and I'm wondering- Will it look like that after it is uploaded to the computer or is that just on the camera's moniter?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    I apologize for the long wait.
    Vivid is bad. Instead, turn down the contrast, color depth, and brightness in custom image settings. It won't look as good right away, but it will give you more to work with in post. TV mode is good. Use 1/60-1/100 shutter. Then use luma curve in your editor (or color correction exposure bars in final cut) to make it look prettier than vivid could ever look.

    Yes the gain will still be there. This reflects the fact that you are shooting in very dark conditions. This is why you have to turn on the lights like on a movie set. The same thing happens with film. Not only does it get noisier in the dark, but the image loses a lot of richness.
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  • Justin 1 year ago
    inspiring footage- enough to want to get the opteka 55mm set up (already have twoneil's DIY35mmPRO static) looking for ways to improve the image quality and this appears to do so- especially in TV mode- may I ask as the achromat connects directly to the HV thread (twoneil's silver lens mount is no longer used, which fixes the ground glass/focusing screen in place)- how do you guarantee that the gg is aligned with the frame correctly as when screwed on tight it's most likely not to be aligned with the gg and will have to be a little loose to be aligned- you use tape to secure it in place? also you mention you used a wide angle lens without the adapter- you know of a particular wide angle lens that would produce good images with twoneil's adapter? do you need rails with the opteka set up as it's putting more pressure on the HV's thread? thanks- and again- great job!
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you Justin.
    Yes I do still use the tape, and you need a 43-55 step up ring to connect to the opteka, which needs a 55-57 ring to connect to the nikon extension ring 3, which then connects to the gg holder.
    Raynox 6600 wide angle converter would be good enough in front of a lens, or any Nikon wide lens. The wide lens would be best, but either option would put too much strain on the thread and would require rails. These would make the system more stable and pro-feeling, but would be expensive and bulky.
    But with just an opteka and my series e 50mm, the adapter is light enough. But it is more stressed with the opteka.
  • Justin 1 year ago
    thanks- it has been recommended with an achromat- a cheap support solution (as it's longer than without the opteka is this lens support: bhphotovideo.com/c/product/554350-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_293_293_Telephoto_Lens_Support.html#specifications
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  • Luca van Grinsven 1 year ago
    is the hg21 as good as this camera or better?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    It is better in many ways except the following:
    -Smaller, denser sensor (1/3.2) which means less bokeh, and theoretically worse performance
    -and a proprietary hotshoe, which isn't too important for a more pro set up where the lights and mic are off camera.
    -the hg10 was the only canon with a more pro zoom rocker, and a cool innovative spinning wheel for faster menu and focus adjustments.

    The good: it has a higher motion bitrate, full 1080p, more storage, in cam audio monitoring and control, little more battery, and looks sexier.

    I'm torn between the two.

    But the Red Scarlet will put these handycams and all pro cams to shame in a year. I'm waiting for that like my life depended on it.

    For now I'd probably buy an HF100 with a 16gb card. It was a sweet spot. If I had the cash, an HF11. The flash cams are smaller + lighter, more efficient with battery, and speedy.
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  • Frederic Vercammen plus 1 year ago
    Great footage
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you.
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  • baco 1 year ago
    Simply amazing!
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Thank you baco.
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  • Justin Teichen plus 1 year ago
    are you just using the hv30, opteka and twoneil?

    no nikon lens after the twoneil?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    I'm using a Nikon 50mm, series E after the twoneil. Cheap, small, light, and fantastic quality.
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  • Matti Nurmilehto 1 year ago
    OMG! That's pro quality!
    Is this the static twoneil or the vibrating?
  • Sage Pictures 1 year ago
    Its a static sure enough. I made sure to blow off the dust. Here's the key thing though: I sealed it from more dust by putting an opteka glass on it. It cost 35 on amazon and it made the difference between a great adapter vs a poor one.
  • Matti Nurmilehto 1 year ago
    Sweet! I bought the adapter and a achromat. So that will keep the dust away more? And no vingetting?
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