
Kiss Kiss - 3 Day Film Challenge: Horror Edition
1 year ago
IDOM's official entry into the 3 Day Film Challenge: Horror Edition - best Cinematography winner:
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Sub-genre: Hitchcock
Required element: a broken mirror
Completed entirely between 7pm Friday, October 15th and 7pm Monday, October 18th.
Music by Nine Inch Nails, from the album "Ghosts I-IV"
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Shot on 2 Canon 5DmkII with the 16-35mm f/2.8 L, 24-70 f/2.8 L, and 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS lenses. Audio recorded on a Tascam DR-100 and synced in Final Cut Pro via Pluraleyes. Color correction in Color, titles in Adobe Illustrator & After Effects.
It Donned On Me is a competitive filmmaking team from San Francisco, CA. For more films and information on the team please visit our web site at ItDonnedOnMe.com
Some rights reserved: creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0
3dayfilmchallenge.com
Sub-genre: Hitchcock
Required element: a broken mirror
Completed entirely between 7pm Friday, October 15th and 7pm Monday, October 18th.
Music by Nine Inch Nails, from the album "Ghosts I-IV"
ghosts.nin.com
Shot on 2 Canon 5DmkII with the 16-35mm f/2.8 L, 24-70 f/2.8 L, and 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS lenses. Audio recorded on a Tascam DR-100 and synced in Final Cut Pro via Pluraleyes. Color correction in Color, titles in Adobe Illustrator & After Effects.
It Donned On Me is a competitive filmmaking team from San Francisco, CA. For more films and information on the team please visit our web site at ItDonnedOnMe.com
Some rights reserved: creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0
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Pluraleyes takes a little while to sync, depends on how much footage you have, how many tracks of audio and how clear the audio is. Maybe half an hour for this project, I don't remember for sure, but I think we had almost an hour and a half of footage total to sync. Running on a 2 year old powerbook though, so I imagine it would be a lot quicker with a newer system.
i wanted to use the tascam's internal recorder on a boom pole so that i can record dialogue in my next short...i plan on getting a shotgun mic as well, but for now, im saving up for a tascam first. are the internal mics good enough for this purpose?
Two things to be careful of if you use a recorder on a boom like that - one is that you need some isolation. We just screwed a monopod directly into the recorder and you could hear handling noise from the monopod. I don't think there are any shock mounts made for that type of thing so you might have to build something yourself. The second thing is that you can't see the top of the recorder when it's on the boom - we did one interview where it turned out afterwards that the recorder wasn't recording, but we couldn't see the record light with it out on the boom. So you just have to be sure to double check every time that it's recording before you put it out over the talent.
I watched the running documentary and the sound was pretty good. was the handling noise with the zoom h4n a huge problem to you? because im using the rode videomic right now with a 10ft extenion cord and a boompole and random noises keep appearing in my video. thats why i want to opt for a better sound system
did you remove the handling noise during post production? and do you consider the tascam dr 100 a better recorder than the zoom?
I was recommending the Tascam over the Zoom for a while, one big thing it has is independent control over the levels on the two inputs which the Zoom didn't have. They just came out with a firmware update for the Zoom to enable that though, so that's less of an advantage. The Tascam does have dials for the levels, which are nicer to use than the up/down buttons on the Zoom. One other thing the Tascam has is a built-in rechargeable battery in addition to the AA batteries. When they run out the built-in battery kicks in. On the Zoom when the battery runs out it shuts down and whatever you were recording at the time gets lost - we had to re-shoot a 30 minute interview in our fire documentary because that happened. When I bought the Zoom the DR100 was much more expensive, but now that they're roughly the same price I think I'd buy the Tascam instead. Fortunately our other camera guy bought one so we can use either one as needed, so I'm just going to stick with the Zoom for now.
last questions for you. when using the tascam dr 100 with a shot gun mic and boom pole...how does my sound operator hold the tascam to reduce handling noise and what not? is there like a little clip he can put on his waist or something during moving sequences?
and regarding video now. do you use custom picture styles that make the image super flat or do you use the built in camera styles and tweak them to your liking?
If you're using a mic on a boom pole you'll usually want a bag or belt pouch to carry the recorder in while you're shooting. There are bags made for this (i.e. this Lowepro: products.lowepro.com/product/SF-Audio-Utility-Bag-100,2230,54.htm ) but pretty much anything will do.
The noise doesn't come from the recorder though, it's either from the boom pole itself or the cable. A good shock mount will make the biggest difference, anything that isolates the mic from the pole will help. Also make sure the cable can't swing and hit the pole - you can either tape it to the pole or use velcro wraps or hair ties. Some of the better poles have a built in cable inside the pole or space to add one, to prevent this. Foam hand grips on the pole will help to minimize handling noise as well.
If you'll be shooting outside you'll want to consider a 'dead cat' or something similar to cut down on wind noise. Foam windscreen is ok but not great, better ones will be furry and have some internal space around the mic. Rycote softies are a decent cross between performance and cost.
On the video side I don't shoot any of the custom picture styles. I've tried them out and made a couple of my own, but Canon's picture style tool doesn't have very good control over the settings. All of the really flat profiles give you a slight improvement in the highlights and shadows at the cost of destroying your midrange. Problem is that's where your skintones are, and they're generally the most important thing on screen. Flat profiles tend to give them a weird gray/pink plasticy look.
I just use the in camera settings - generally neutral profile with sharpness and contrast turned all the way down, color down one notch. This gives you a good workable range and good skintones. It's still a 'flat' picture, just not excessively so - but it's also not intended as the final look of the shot, you'll want to do some color correction for best results. I run everything through Apple Color now which gives a lot of control over the image. If you aren't planning to color correct you might want to use more contrast or saturation in camera, but if you're really looking to get the best results you'll want to learn color correction.
Also I've found that for the best looking skin tones it's important to do a custom white balance for each lighting setup rather than using one of the presets.
My question, though I learnt a lot by reading your feedback here on sound, is more about lighting. I saw in one of your shorts, you used a Comer (in Coulrophobia). Now Im curious as to how you managed to do that, eventhough you had the ISO cranked all the way up, did you not have to crush the blacks and run the video through a noise cleaner?
Oh and about sound, why dont you run your wireless Senheiser through to a direct input in your Canon D to void Plural eyes in your work flow? (Im sure you have a good reason, I'm just wondering..)
Thanks mate!
As for lighting we rarely use just one light source. For speed reasons we try to work with existing lighting whenever possible and then add lights to accent it. For Coulrophobia we mostly used the Comer in the garage scenes at the end, and the overhead lights were reasonably bright. So we kept the actors under the existing lights as much as possible, then used the Comer to fill in the shadows on faces or add an edge light when needed. There's not actually a lot of shots with it, maybe 6 or 8. It's a very bright light for it's size, especially when shooting at a high ISO.
I haven't had much problem with noise up to 1250 ISO. At 1600 it's there, but not too objectionable. Once you get over 1600 it comes up fast. A lot of it depends on what you're shooting. In Coulrophobia the shadows were already pretty deep, if we'd raised the ISO enough to bring up the detail in the shadows the noise would have been bad. You also can't really raise the shadows in post at the higher ISOs or the noise becomes visible.
We actually use a wide variety of lights on our films, in general the Comer is just an accent light or for tight spots where we can't fit larger lights. We have a Lowell DV creator kit with 4 lights including a Rifa softbox, and lately we've added several LED panels from Coollights - a 256, 600 flood, and 600 spot + softbox. On our latest film (I'll be posting it in a couple days) we actually also used all of these plus a couple of the tiny rechargeable 36 LED lights that are available.
For sound I prefer double-system for a few reasons. Originally you couldn't control levels in the camera, but that has been fixed in firmware - unfortunately it's not very good. You have to set levels before recording and can't see them during recording, so it's hard to tell if you're peaking. You also can't monitor what's being recorded since there's no headphone port, so there's no way to tell if there's background noise, interference, etc being recorded.
We also use a variety of mics - often using wired lavs or shotguns that need phantom power. I do have a juicedlink XLR box that can provide power but it makes the camera kind of awkward to hold, especially once mic cables are hanging off the back, and it doesn't really solve the monitoring problem. It's just much easier during the shoot to have the audio and camera hardware separate since we usually have someone in charge of sound. It adds some time in post to use pluraleyes but in general we've found the trade-off worth it.
How do you know which light to use in which scenarios. And #2 is when using plural eyes, i find it syncs well, but after you have synced, how do you 'mary' the video and audio and freely edit? I mean without having to link the audio and sound file? My dream is to be able to sync them up and recombine them into one video file, not the original file simply 'linked' with it's proper sound.
Get me?
So basically I usually think in terms of key, fill and edge lights. Since we use a lot of existing lighting you look at what's available and then fill in the blanks. If there's bright light from a window sometimes we'll position the actor so it acts as a back light, in which case we need to use a large bright light as the key. Other times we'll use the window light as the key and use a smaller light for the edge. Fill is often from ambient light or reflected off of something. It's really dependent on each particular situation.
Another issue is that the color temperature of all these light sources is different. My general guideline is to white balance to the key light so that people's skin tones look natural, and then let the other lights have some color to them.
With pluraleyes once you've linked the audio & video on the timeline you can drag the linked clip into a new bin in your project and you'll end up with a 'married' clip which works just like any other - is that what you're looking for? I usually drag the synced audio up to the first two tracks to replace the camera audio, then razor-blade the audio and video to get a matching length, link the audio and video, then drag to a bin in my project.
The latest versions of pluraleyes can actually do this process automatically with the 'replace audio' option. Unfortunately I've had problems with the final married clips being out of sync by a second or two, so I still do the steps of linking and dragging to a bin manually because it seems to work more reliably. Not sure if that's a general issue or something specific to my system.
Anyways, wow... Revelatory on the plural eyes new abilities... About dragging it to the bin, what exactly does it do? Create a new actual clip. If so, this only exists inside the library structure right?like if you are working with proxy files or whatever, I'm assuming otw dent replace the actual physical files on HDD.
Anyway, you're right - dragging to a bin only creates a married clip within your project - Final Cut never modifies any of the original media. If you want to create new files you could just select all the synced clips in your bin and select File > Export > Quicktime Movie. Leave the settings at 'current settings' and check the 'make self contained' checkbox. Then you'll get a new copy of your clips with the new audio embedded and you could use it in any other application. If you are working with proxy files you would probably want to re-link the original media before doing this, because it would probably be difficult once they are exported. I really only do that when I need to take a clip into something like After Effects or give a copy to someone else who isn't using FCP.
Again thanks mate!!!