Maraming Salamat Po para sa test mo.

Too bad so much J.E.L.L.O.!

Bad AF, happy to have my D90 :-)

Too much Jello - please, you people really need to learn about film making. You can't whip pan the most expensive HD camera or 35mm movie camera and not get junk.

No serious shooter produces anything without careful panning and movement - that's simply the nature of 24p and 30p as well.

This was more of a test that showed that it doesn't have the same motion issues as the D90.

There is no Jello evident in this camera that I've seen. Not in any way that a norl person would shoot.

I disagree, as 'normal' shooting encompasses whip pans, shaky long lens work, generally moving the camera around.
Who wants to be restricted in ANY way?

Who wants to tell a producer or director that they can't shoot an action scene?

Well, whether you consider it "junk", the swish-pan isn't exactly an unusual or esoteric technique.

And given that there hasn't been any footage released from this camera "in any way a normal person would shoot", it's a little early to say that there are no jello issues evident with this camera.

I'm not saying that this camera isn't going to allow me to get rid of my HV30, just that it most likely comes with its own set of serious problems (as a video camera).

Jellovision is not as bad as the D90, but still very noticeable and unacceptable for anything other than home movies. Not bad for a first go I suppose.

The rolling shutter artifacts here look about on par with my HV20. Curious to know if an IS lens was used. Noise levels look excellent.

Which lens?

PS: This vid is not HD...

whip pans are done all the time with profesional film and video cameras without getting "trash". This camera is very cool, but a good HD camera, it is not.

Guess you guys didn't see this movie yet:

usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2086

Randy

I've been fine with my HV20 and I will be fine with 5D Mark II, too. And by that I mean I will buy one.

at least the sound isnt as crap as on the D90.

For those complaining...that's not the jello effect....that's a skew and to be expected when you whip and pan like that. I did not see "any" jello effect....the jelly is a wobble like effect. Now....to be honest......the same subtle hand held footage from the D90 produced the "Jelly-like" effect. It did no happen here...which tells me the rolling shutter issues are more in control on this cam than the D90.

Plus...those who say you can't use this for action shots...c'mon...that's ridiculous. first of all...like the HV20..you get more of that rolling shutter artifact when you are in telephoto mode..but zoomed all the way out...it's more unnoticeable. You could see that in this demo when Aldrich went from telephoto to wide open. Lastly...action scenes does not mean whipping the cam from left to right continuously and even if that is the case for "your" particular project...it would be more difficult for you to rack focus on a subject panning crazily like that. Stop looking for excuses that you've heard from other folks about why CMOS or rolling shutter is evil....it's not. Most of those comments are really from folks who do not know what they are talking about.

Oh....thanks for the sample Aldrich. Peace.

No camera movements? Did you look at the "behind the scenes" video showing how some of the shots were done? Car-mounted, handheld and helicopter shots were all in the movie.

vincentlaforet.smugmug.com/Laforet%20Videos

Randy

If you watch the credits at the end of the movie, you'll see that they used gyro stabilization. The helicopter and running shots were stabilized, hence the lack of excess movement. No movement, no jellocam.

Since there's not many samples out there for the 5d mk2 I thought I'd post this link to a Swedish (Norweigan?) site that reviewed and included a sample of footage they took themselves. To my eye, there's a slight wobble and occasionally a slight rolling shutter artifact; though they didn't challenge the camera much. It seems more subdued than the d90 (somewhat expected by virtue that it's 30 fps). The money question is if it's $1700 better, and how close do you need it to be for whatever you're doing.

dagbladet.no/kultur/2008/09/21/547601.html

Oh, if you copy and past the link into Google it'll offer a translated page.

I'm looking at all the video samples of both the 5D and D90 I can find... and, compared them to some similar shots with my Canon HV30 + Letus ... and, so far... the HV30 has it beat in terms of quality (...although, I do believe with some experience in useage...the quality gap could close significantly).

However, if this is only the first generation of this type of DOF for the SLR's... I look forward to this being implemented into video camera's in the near future... AND, being done at a higher quality level. I like the direction of this more simplier and easier to use DOF adaptation is progressing in the industry... but IMO it is too early to say it's "good" enough to use in a lot of instances.

Don't you just love technology... it makes your purchases obsolete the day you buy it... :-)

U all have to wake up and realize this is not a video camera. it's a still camera!!!! What kinda video do you expect to get from this. And how many vid cameras these days gives you 24x36 mm sensors, with exceptional low light shooting and some added features that normal vid camera can't give you. It's a still camera!!!!!

24p, then I'm there. Jello effect is on the border of being noticeable, while the D90 is in-your-face.

Thanks for posting this, Aldrich. Very helpful. I've got one on pre-order. This plus the Red Scarlet, when it comes out...

Thanks, Aldrich, for posting this. I would like to know if the rolling shutter behavior changes with the shutter speed settings.

I think people are gonna be surprised once this camera gets in the hands of some decent shooters.
If you piss around with it like a home handy cam its probably not going to give you better results than one.
The fact is, the sensor has proved to be stunning from whats been shot properlly so far.
Put it on a tripod with an L-series lens, some interesting lighting and it will create some sweet sweet footage.
Check this guys 5d vids...
vimeo.com/1937581

If you plan to use this camera to make movies in the style of cinema, the Jello effect is a non-issue. The proper panning speed required to avoid unpleasant strobing with 35mm film (and most digital cinema sensors as well) is much slower than what is required to avoid Jello. Basically, whatever you couldn't do with the 5D you *also* couldn't do with a Panavision -- at least without giving a substantial portion of your audience a headache or nausea.

Jello is an issue if you MUST do whip pans. If you're going to shoot the way movies are shot, however -- with smooth and careful camera movement at all times -- it is not an issue.

Oh, and for confirmation on the recommended speed for panning a film camera, see the ASC Film Manual. There's a chart in there. If you are a whip-pan measurebator, it may surprise you.

Amen to that Tony! Very on the spot. The only hard issue with the 5DMk2 seems to be the limited headroom for color grading since it doesn't shoot raw.
Can't wait for 13th though....

vimeo.com/2238369

Fantastic footage Alan thanks for that! I can't believe that's the Rough version.

@Branden: Well, that HDMI-out business would mean lugging a MacPro plus a small powerplant around, since that blackmagic intensity card you seem to be referring to is a pci-e card. To my knowledge there is no external harddisk with an hdmi input available, which would act somewhat like a firestore or similar. I would be delighted to be proven wrong though.

Thanks for the reply Matthias. I've read online somewhere that a company is currently working on a portable HDMI capture drive but it sounds like it then treats the raw data like HDV and compresses the crap out of it which would make buying one almost irrelevant in the first place with the exception of having a larger storage medium than the memory cards. What really works for me, however, is that if it does capture 4:2:2 color space direct to my computer via HDMI, I would actually would be inside a room in a fairly stationary position shooting against green screen. Thus my need for uncompressed color space. I'd like to think that future models of the camera could capture to those cards uncompressed. But, I suppose i'm just being picky now. lol.

actually i like the effect.
i would definitely do action scenes with it,
skewing vertical lines into diaganal ones, well, what could support the dynamic feel of an action scene better? That's the way you have to think: if there is a technical limitation, embrace it and make it an aesthetic choice of yours. let's call it a new visual style rather than a skew problem...might work for clients also...



qmediasolutions.com/guest/CAMERA_TESTS/SUBWAY_edit_sharp_h264.mov

watch this nikon d90 movie and tell me if anyone of the normal audience would notice a problem or, if they notice: would they care? would this draw attention away from the main character/ story? well i don't think. wake up and try to shoot a good movie with it. shaking the cam around for a test doesnt make sense, try to shoot a movie and the effect might be not important, or, if we are lucky, it might turn out to be interesting for the eye.

will a gyroscope use fix this jello thing?