
The Projector - 8mm Direct to 5Dmk2
11 months ago
Many thanks to Mitch Aunger (Planet5D) for getting this story rolling and spreading the word.
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This is my method for transferring 8mm footage using the Canon 5Dmk2 in real time. The results are very good for such a fast method if you cannot afford the money or time for frame scanning.
00:42 - It very important to use a flat type LED's not the dome shaped ones. The dome shape LED's will give you lots of blooming and the focus will drift at the edges making you suspect the lens.
00:58 - I drilled 3 holes in the body of the projector for the LED flexible light strip, behind where the original bulb used to sit. I mask out light I don't want projected with putty. The position of the lights helps mask out some of the scratches. I need to add another couple of (horizontal) lights either side of the centre light.
01:29 - I modified the original projector lens to try and achieve a flat field image. Made from the rear element from a Carl Zeiss Flektogon 35mm and attached to the original lens tube with a bit a tape no less. You could use standard lens and there are some very nice ones out there.
03:08 - Utilising the body from the old 35mm lens, it proved a good way in shielding the projector from light pollution, I also added a 12mm extension tube. A lens cloth draped over the front further seals the light from entering, of course you could just film in very low light.
00:12 - I put 2 drive belts on the motor, this slowed the motor down just enough to reduce the shutter flicker. The Canon 5Dmk2 was set to 24p and 1/50 for our electrical phase.
ISO ranged from base up to 1000, depending on exposure of original film. The footage is fine at ISO 1000 but this could be reduced by using a more powerful flat lens LED.
03:30 - Focus and frame size changed by moving the projector or camera and adjusting the screw type lens. Try and focus on the film grain and not the scratches.
00:37 - I removed the internal mask for 8mm & S8mm aspects at the gate to project an unrestricted image into the camera. You gain areas that are hidden but they have the perfs though them and you see the top and bottom of the next and previous frame, but you can re-mask in post. If it's personal footage you want to see everything on the frame, some times it makes the difference.
You can use the crop sensor DSLR's but the lens would need changing or modifying unless you wanted a cropped image. On this lens and projector I can not bring the camera near enough without fouling on the body of the camera or projector body to get a full image captured.
I have tried to make this project as accessible as possible and apart from the camera, all the items are fairly cheap to pick up.
Projector used: Eumig Mark 501, I also use the Eumig 610D & the Eumig Mark DL
Camera: Canon 5Dmk2
Ref LED: maplin.co.uk/dc-12-v-flexible-led-light-strip-400mm-47376
Here are links to a couple of films transferred using this exact setup:
vimeo.com/20900718
vimeo.com/20871186
I have other 8mm transfers back from when I started this 2 years ago, but the quality was not as good. They are further down my videos.
home.planet5d.com
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This is my method for transferring 8mm footage using the Canon 5Dmk2 in real time. The results are very good for such a fast method if you cannot afford the money or time for frame scanning.
00:42 - It very important to use a flat type LED's not the dome shaped ones. The dome shape LED's will give you lots of blooming and the focus will drift at the edges making you suspect the lens.
00:58 - I drilled 3 holes in the body of the projector for the LED flexible light strip, behind where the original bulb used to sit. I mask out light I don't want projected with putty. The position of the lights helps mask out some of the scratches. I need to add another couple of (horizontal) lights either side of the centre light.
01:29 - I modified the original projector lens to try and achieve a flat field image. Made from the rear element from a Carl Zeiss Flektogon 35mm and attached to the original lens tube with a bit a tape no less. You could use standard lens and there are some very nice ones out there.
03:08 - Utilising the body from the old 35mm lens, it proved a good way in shielding the projector from light pollution, I also added a 12mm extension tube. A lens cloth draped over the front further seals the light from entering, of course you could just film in very low light.
00:12 - I put 2 drive belts on the motor, this slowed the motor down just enough to reduce the shutter flicker. The Canon 5Dmk2 was set to 24p and 1/50 for our electrical phase.
ISO ranged from base up to 1000, depending on exposure of original film. The footage is fine at ISO 1000 but this could be reduced by using a more powerful flat lens LED.
03:30 - Focus and frame size changed by moving the projector or camera and adjusting the screw type lens. Try and focus on the film grain and not the scratches.
00:37 - I removed the internal mask for 8mm & S8mm aspects at the gate to project an unrestricted image into the camera. You gain areas that are hidden but they have the perfs though them and you see the top and bottom of the next and previous frame, but you can re-mask in post. If it's personal footage you want to see everything on the frame, some times it makes the difference.
You can use the crop sensor DSLR's but the lens would need changing or modifying unless you wanted a cropped image. On this lens and projector I can not bring the camera near enough without fouling on the body of the camera or projector body to get a full image captured.
I have tried to make this project as accessible as possible and apart from the camera, all the items are fairly cheap to pick up.
Projector used: Eumig Mark 501, I also use the Eumig 610D & the Eumig Mark DL
Camera: Canon 5Dmk2
Ref LED: maplin.co.uk/dc-12-v-flexible-led-light-strip-400mm-47376
Here are links to a couple of films transferred using this exact setup:
vimeo.com/20900718
vimeo.com/20871186
I have other 8mm transfers back from when I started this 2 years ago, but the quality was not as good. They are further down my videos.
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Now to setup a wet gate transfer! That would be fun.
Thanks, James
I don't know if it's possible with the 8mm projector of eumig.
I will study this repeatedly. Thanks a million for such a beautiful tutorial.
It's nice leaving the film in the gate with LED, also its a great way to capture stills.
What music is that? I've heard it before, i just cant put my finger on it.
Amazing idea.. I hate the quality I get from digital transfer being fed from the projector to quicktime recorder..
I'd like to try this out one day!
#sensorabuse
hope you dont mind if i post ur video on a small indierental blog i have here: weareroadkill.wordpress.com/
actually that d be my first post!
All the extended scenes are on youtube part 1-4 youtube.com/watch?v=EWTYTICJdj0&feature=fvwrel
thanks a lot James!
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I first tried this 2 years ago on a Kodak Brownie pointing the light into the 5Dmk2, saw an blurry image and thought this may have legs...
Estoy pensando en comprarte el que tienes o me montas uno, dime algo.
Saludos.
Camera set to PAL then 24p at 1/50 seem to do the trick for me.
Thank you for sharing your setup (amazing idea indeed), and congratulations for these very good captures.
I'm an "amateur transferrer" too, using projector + lens + camcorder ("lens in lens" mode), but your setup allows to work with less lenses... It's a very good way to explore.
In postprod, did you try to stabilize and clean the video through an AviSynth script (as videoFred ans others do), after a transcoding.
Thank you again!
Andre.
Not sure if my brain can handle much more at the moment, fingers in to many pies! If I learn about AviSynth I'd probably forget how to walk.
I'll have a look into it when I can, thanks Andre.
You fixed that with "Camera set to PAL then 24p at 1/50 seem to do the trick for me." ?
Because that's the problem when you try to record it from the projection on a wall.
You will always have frame tearing but with this method but with this medium it's not distracting.
You can wind cotton or light string around the pulley from the motor to slow it down a fraction.
I used another belt in tandem, they kind of counteract off each other and slow it down a wee bit.
I cannot believe it's taken so long for someone to come up with something like this! I don't shoot 8mm film but innovation like this keeps Analog alive a little bit longer!
You could goto town, frame editing but I wanted something quick and easy once setup.
Perhaps you could start manufacturing Sensor Masks for Canon cameras just like the Holga's 6x6 and 6x4.5 Masks. I call a 20/80 share for the marketing idea! Hahaha
Well I was just suggesting that because once you have a workflow going you could just script Automator to pull files from a folder, run them through the processing, and then batch export them to folders for archiving, full resolution finals, and web sized videos... Nowadays with the new MacBook Pro's with Quadcore i7's this should only take an hour at most for one reel from capture to export.
I would try on my uncle 8mm projector (do no the brand) but he die if I "customize it'
Yeah i know, he's a conservative guy :)
The standard 50w/25w bulbs would burn out your film and punch a hole through the frame if you leave the film in the gate with no motion. Some projectors have heat proof glass protection for slow frame rate modes but they still get hot quick.
Also you will have to put ND film or hold a filter in front of camera to reduce the brightness to get down to the sync shutter speeds.
You could just remove the bulb and fix the flat strip led to the back of the case.
Make sure the light is lined up through the gate to the camera sensor. Don't have more than one light source as the picture will be terrible. If using strip light led, mask out the other led's not used.
You have to get the alinement just right with the illumination. If the led is too bright put ND filter film over the led and hold in place with putty like 'BlueTak'. Or place it in front of the camera.
You don't want to diffuse the light too much otherwise you will get blooming in the highlights.
Cheers, James
Seem not so easy (about the image syncro) but i'll do my best!
A thx for your great sharing of "savoir faire"
Get a flat bright focussed image first then worry about the rest later.