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It is pure Christianity as we feel that Christ leads and directs the affairs of the Church through His prophet - not unlike Moses, Abraham, and the other prophets who culminate a pattern of revealed. prophetic witnesses of Christ who act as a mouth-piece for God. Much like the process of 'coming unto Christ' in the days of Peter following the resurrection meant for the people to follow the revelation and commandments that came through Peter - God has again called prophets on the earth today, to lead His church, provide His ordinances, and teach the revealed truth that He commands his Prophet on the earth today to teach.
I am so grateful for the church in my life. I invite anyone to learn and experience more for themselves.
Thank you
D&C 1:30 "And also those to whom these commandments were given, might have power to lay the foundation of this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased, speaking unto the church collectively and not individually—"
I assume that you were referring to the phrase, "the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased" in your comment.
While we are definitely entitled to interpret this differently as inspired by the Holy Ghost, my interpretation of the scripture is as follows:
First, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only True and Living Church on the face of the whole earth.
Second, the Lord is well pleased with this Church.
In other words, I don't interpret it to mean that this is the only Church with which the Lord is well pleased. I believe the phrase "with which I, the Lord, am well pleased" is an adjective phrase modifying "church" and not an adverbial phrase modifying "only."
I believe the word "only" applies to the Church's status as the "true and living church" - meaning the only church that is endowed with power and authority from God (see President Eyring's recent *awesome* talk, "The True and Living Church," Ensign, May 2008, 20–24). This is evident also from the context of the scripture, where the Lord talks about the restoration of priesthood keys and the authority of His priesthood servants.
I don't take D&C 1:30 to mean that the Lord is only pleased with our Church and displeased with every other church “upon the face of the whole earth.” That smacks a bit of the folly of the Zoramites, evident in their prayer in Alma 31:16-18 "Holy God, we believe that thou hast separated us from our brethren; and we do not believe in the tradition of our brethren, which was handed down to them by the childishness of their fathers; but we believe that thou hast elected us to be thy holy children... for the which holiness, O God, we thank thee... And again we thank thee, O God, that we are a chosen and a holy people. Amen."
Rather, I believe that God is "well pleased" with "anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy" (Article of Faith 13) - wherever it may be found, in whatever religion.
Thanks again for your encouraging and constructive remark, Mark. And thanks to everyone else as well, for your comments and especially for your additional testimonies.
Thank you Rachel for your strength and your testimony!
[Sorry if this is a little long-winded]
Personally, I think the BEST comment you made was about God being "well pleased" with "anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy" (Our LDS Article of Faith # 13). I couldn't agree more, WHEREVER such virtue or loveliness may be found, in WHATEVER religion or setting it may occur, I am confident and the prophets without exception have taught the same: it greatly pleases our Father in Heaven above.
It reminds me of a comparative religion class I took while attending BYU many years ago (I was a convert myself, spent 9 years in the Army and have lived on 4 continents, traveled to 20 countries and 48 states ... so I'm not TOO close-minded). ;0)
As I was saying ... the multi-degreed religion professor, Dr. Roger Keller, had been a Protestant minister for 30 years in Mesa AZ before converting to Mormonism (his congregation in Mesa had asked him what "he thought" of all their Mormon neighbors. He was embarrassed to admit he knew very little about the LDS faith, despite his theological background and various PhDs. Long story short, he read the Book of Mormon and gained his own testimony of the book, the message, of Joseph Smith, and of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (He has a great book out comparing reformed Christians and Mormons that has "Let's Talk" in the title which I can't remember now). Awesome read....
Dr. Keller is one of the most amazing teachers I've ever had, and on our first day of class he announced: "We're not going to compare in this class everything GOOD about us with everything BAD about everyone else; that wouldn't be fair. We're going to look at strengths and weaknesses in all of us, including ourselves." And here's the main point. He continued, "There is good in ALL religions ... in ANYTHING that draws men and women closer to God." I absolutely agreed! We went on to learn about the beauty of Islam, the strength of Catholicism, the commitment and charisma and exceptional features of most of the major world religions. I absolutely loved it.
Unfortunately (Mark, et al), I hate to tell you, but YOU should be embarrassed by your post. Rachel is absolutely right! We as Mormons, because we do have the true Church, because we do have the restored gospel of Jesus Christ and its fullness in our lives, at times become arrogant and even "exclusive," assuming (even subconsciously) that everyone else is going to hell. It's just not true (it's certainly not taught from the pulpit in the Mormon Church). The simple fact is this: all people, everywhere, will have the chance to not only KNOW but also UNDERSTAND the fullness of the plan of God. He's given us this promise. That's one of the reasons we do missionary work, to try to help. A great work, as you know, continues beyond the veil. Some have even caught glimpses of the sharing of the gospel that continues.
The gospel teaches us that, as our Father, He is (not just figuratively but literally) WAITING ... EXPECTANTLY ... for His children to return home to His presence, so he can embrace us, welcome us home, and bless us for the goodness that we showed in our lives ... HOWEVER it was displayed. True, He will then teach us more and make sure we are taught what bits and pieces of the broken mirror we may have been missing in our lives (us Mormons too, Mark) ... filling in the missing gaps and "making our joy complete." That is His promise. Some, still ... will choose to go another way. We know that. That's their right. That (free agency) is one of the things that makes the whole thing beautiful ... and authentic! But, I KNOW this--whatever your background, whatever your faith, wherever you grew up and whatever you believe--our loving Father is waiting with anticipation to welcome you home and share with you all that you missed out on, here on earth. I look forward to that day.
We each have our own experiences. We're all brothers and sisters. We're all working out our mortality, line upon line, here a little, there a little. We're each learning the truth, more and more, if we try. If we're not, if we've stopped, that is a sad day indeed.
That we can do so TOGETHER, as CLOSELY connected as possible, around the whole world, is my hope and prayer.
Thanks for listening. Phenomenal job, Rachel. You made me very proud to be LDS.
Patrick in Portland
P.S. Anyone with questions or comments is welcome to email me at jplaing@ gmail.com or if you’d like more info about Mormons go to lds.org. :0)
Thank for preparing yourself to deliver this simple, heartfelt exposition.
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I'm a born member and teenage convert who dated a wonderful non-LDS woman for nearly a decade before making the difficult choice between a very good life with her and a temple sealing. Your succinct answer for why you'll marry a Mormon is exactly where I decided to go. I then met the woman I'll marry next month at a fireside just hours after she was baptized. I know I made the right choice. I look forward to sharing your remarks with her tonight.
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Thank you also for your testimony of Jesus Christ and his atonement for us. This was something I learned first-hand a decade and a half ago as I hit the wall and had to change, with His help. The peace and joy that have come since have brought a newness to every day.
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"I glory in plainness; I glory in truth; I glory in my Jesus, for he hath redeemed my soul from hell."
- 2 Nephi 33:6
The only thing I would add is that we all need to remember that the gospel is true and perfect but that people are people and thus make mistakes (which might have been what you were getting at when you said that religion isn't 100% true when it comes to it's cultural elements). Because someone you meet is judgemental, rude, prideful, etc, and LDS, doesn't mean that the religion is false. Too many people get hung up on the faults/misunderstandings of the members and therefore turn against the church. I would ask that people look into the gospel/teachings of the LDS church and decide for themselves if they believe it or not and then remember that we are only human and are going to make mistakes that might lead to hurting others but it's not the church's fault. As members we have a high standard to live up to and unfortunately we are all occasionally going to fall short of that.
I am grateful that we have members like Rachel who can sperad the message to others outside of BYU, :), and that she was able to stand for what she believes in and hopefully inspire people to look into the church and find the joy and happiness that I have found. I also hope that we will follow her example and become missionaries in our own daily lives. Thank you for preparing and delivering our views so well.
I hope you have a wonderful semester.
But, through acts of understanding, those differences can be acknowledged and bridges can be made. You were a perfect example of that. Thanks so much. If only people can see what we are and how much having the fullness of the gospel has brought us happiness, they would lay down their arms, and seriously take a look at things.
Fascinating all around.
Rachel, you did a very nice job, but I think you misrepresented the doctrine of your church regarding other religions. God told Joseph Smith in the "First Visiion" that all of the religions of that day were "abominations", the same word as in the Book of Mormon (1 Nephi 14:10) where it says that if you don't belong to the "church of the Lamb" (the true church, the LDS church), you belong to "the church of the devil, the mother of abominations, the whore of all the earth."
It is true that church leaders ALSO say that "there is a lot of good" in other churches, etc. but that is NOT what God said in the Mormon scriptures.
You're correct when you say that in the Book of Mormon (1 Nephi 14:10) it talks about the "church of the Lamb" and the "great and abominable Church whose founder is the Devil". You've obviously studied the Book of Mormon, and I commend you for that. Unfortunatley, I think you have slightly misunderstood the doctrine taught.
It also states in the Book of Mormon, "Wherefore, he that fighteth against Zion, both Jew and Gentile, both bond and free, both male and female, shall perish; for they are they who are the whore of all the earth; for they who are not for me are against me, saith our God." (2 Nephi 10:16). Jacob is the prophet who is speaking in this particular chapter, and he clarifies the point that "the great and abominable church" is composed of those who fight against Zion or God, and not everyone who does not belong to the LDS church in the modern day.
Unfortunately there are also several LDS members who misunderstand these verses too. Many LDS members think that "the great and abominable church" refers to the Catholic church, but this is incorrect (it's one of those dogmas that has creeped in just as Rachel talked about), and church leaders have spoken time and time again on this subject attempting to clarify this point.
Like Rachel said, although we do believe that this church has all the truth which God has revealed at this point, we believe that other religions have quite a lot of truth as well, and we invite them to bring what truth they have, and let us add unto it. I don't know if Joseph Smith was the first one to say that (I tried to look for a source and the earliest I found was Bruce R. McConkie, an LDS apostle, who said it), but that has definitely been the doctrine of the church since Joseph's time.
All of Mankind share an Inheritance of Divine Light
"We believe there is a spiritual influence that emanates from the presence of God to fill the immensity of space (see D and C 88:12). All men share an inheritance of divine light. God operates among his children in all nations, and those who seek God are entitled to further light and knowledge, regardless of their race, nationality, or cultural traditions.
Elder Orson F. Whitney, in a conference address, explained that many great religious leaders were inspired. He said "[God] is using not only his covenant people, but other peoples as well, to consummate a work, stupendous, magnificent, and altogether too arduous for this little handful of saints to accomplish by and of themselves...
"All down the ages men bearing the authority of the Holy Priesthood- patriarchs, prophets, apostles and others, have officiated in the name of the Lord, doing the things that he required of them; and outside the pale of their activities other good and great men, not bearing the Priesthood, but possessing profundity of thought, great wisdom, and a desire to uplift their fellows, have been sent by the Almighty into many nations, to give them, not the fulness of the Gospel, but that portion of truth that they were able to receive and wisely use." Conference Report, April 1921 pp 32-33, 91-04 p. 19)
And also, thanks to Aric for his comment below. A lucid explanation of what I meant by a "question shelf."
I don't believe that Rachel's temporary placement of certain doctrines on the shelf is any indication of the verity of those doctrines. Clearly, Rachel has a profound understanding of many principles taught by the LDS church. This does not mean, however, that she has a perfect understanding of all things. Therefore, I think Rachel is simply trying to say that in her pursuit of spiritual truth and understanding, she is pacing herself, taking one bite of the apple at a time. Once Rachel has acquired sufficient knowledge concerning more pressing principles, she will likely move on to the next topic, inching ever closer to a perfect understanding, and applying her knowledge to action at every step of the way. In the video, Rachel explained that true faith leads to action. Her expression of her testimony regarding the truthfulness of the LDS faith is evidence of her applying this very principle. It would be foolish to not act on spiritual knowledge as God grants it, for one's ability to receive wisdom is often dependent on what they have done with truths revealed to them in the past.
Not to be contrary, but the LDS faith does not discourage its members from exploring its doctrines. In fact, a thorough investigation of these truths is requisite for acquiring membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Book of Mormon, the keystone of the Mormon religion, teaches that “when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost, ye may know the truth of all things” (Moroni 10:4,5). Clearly, the LDS church emphasizes personal conversion via individual study, pondering, and communication with God. There is no list of taboo doctrines to avoid when it comes to the application of this concept. As the verse says, the Holy Ghost can teach us the truth of ALL THINGS, even of those that seem daunting at first.
Once again, bravo Rachel for an excellent presentation of the LDS religion.
I've often found that many fellow LDS members will use the "on the shelf" excuse when dealing with specific questions that come along. In reality many are actually just digging their head in the sand like an ostrich because they never get specific. On my mission I was taught that this approach was wrong. Its best to be direct and specific.
I also have my shelf. On there sits several questions that I'm honestly searching for answers. First, I'm trying to reconcile the scientific evidences in many disciplines regarding the Amerinds and the statements of the Angel Moroni, early LDS leaders and the Book of Mormon itself. Second, the oldest known writing on the earth is the Book of Abraham papyri which Abraham must have written himself yet some think it should be hidden away like an ostrich with its head in the sand.
There are other things on that shelf of mine. I'd share them now except that the purpose of this thread is not MY SHELF. I just shared enough so ya'll would know its a shelf that can be seen/reached (and not a big hole to fit an ostrich's head).
It requires a certain degree of arrogance to assume that we are capable of comprehending any question that we do not understand at present regarding eternal truths at any point in our lives.
We must be guided by the spirit in our learning. In order to learn many eternal truths by the spirit we must first have enough preparation through the experiences that God has ordained for us to pass through.
The principle of "line upon line, precept upon precept" is an important one as well as the principle of receiving things by the spirit as Rachel noted in Corinthians.
So, putting questions on the shelf that we have not received enough preparation and experience to understand yet is an act of faith, rather than an excuse or an act of "digging their head in the sand"
Another complication to the asking-me-to-marry-your-son plan is that I myself am getting married this summer, to a wonderful man named Scott Odell, in the Idaho Falls temple. But thanks for the comment! :D
I'm from Washington and I go to BYU-Idaho, I married a local and your name sounded familiar. When I found out you were from Blackfoot I asked if he knew who you were. And he knows your dad. My husband also farms potatoes here in/around Rexburg.
I think you did a wonderful job.
Thank you for your thoughtful comments and kind testimony.
I was in a similar situation some years ago while I attended the University of Oklahoma. I was serving as Institute Council President and was asked to present basic beliefs and doctrines of the church to a group from the Honors College. I had the chance to testify of the Restoration and of Jesus Christ as the Savior of all mankind and personally, my Lord and Redeemer and Friend. That, above all else, was the most memorable part of that experience; to share my love and knowledge of our Risen Lord who loves us more than we can understand.
I am grateful for your faith and understanding of the gospel. In that kind of scholastic environment, it can be easy to be technical and factual and less focused on the Spirit and faith. The truths (thank godness!) of the gospel are simple and pure and they are what effect change more powerfully than anything else. I know this to be true.
Thank you for represnting the church and the Savior so well. Each seed that is planted is worth the effort.
Take care.
Mitchell Sego
PS Congrats on your engagement! I am also getting married to my sweetheart this summer in Mt. Timp. Happy days, eh?!
I agree with you, Patrick. Someday, somehow, someway, people will KNOW. It might be in this life or the next, but everyone will be given the chance.
However..
I think i understand where Mark's coming from as well. Although we believe that there is GOOD in every religion and that we should learn from them, that does not destroy or diminish the fact that the CJCLDS has the FULNESS of the Gospel. I agree with Rachel that "there is a difficult balance between ecumenical outreach and assertion of truth". Personally, i believe it all comes down to our attitude on how we approach people in sharing this "goodnews" (Restoration, Plan of Salvation, etc.).
1 Nephi 14:10 says that, "Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth."
That doesnt mean that everything else (i.e., every other church) is bad and not worthy of any "smile" from our Father in Heaven, but i think it means that what our Father wants is for His children to be EXALTED, and without the Priesthood and Faith in and Knowledge of the TRUE Gospel, His children would come short of exaltation, and that's what Satan wants. It's kind of a technicality issue...
In short...
I believe that without the saving ordinances performed by proper Priesthood authority found in the ONLY TRUE and LIVING Church, a person CANNOT be saved (or exalted, i think, is the more proper term), but we do not FORCE people to believe that and we DO NOT condemn them for that. That's not the Lord's way of doing things. What we do is we do all we can to help them see the light we have through our examples, and assist them in searching and knowing the Truth for themselves. We help them by leading them to ASK GOD. And He promises that He will answer them.
So... there. ;)
Once again, great job, Rachel. And best wishes. =D
Thank you so much for being so ready and willing to explain common misconceptions and questions about our LDS faith. You are an example to me and to everyone in our Missionary Prep Class. We watched this video as a way to learn different ways of responding to such questions as your professor presented. I was astonished by your calm, collected thoughts that were simple, yet powerful. I was especially impressed at your response to the question about Temple ordinances. Your testimony of Jesus Christ and His mission here on Earth was very powerful and I again appreciate your willingness to stand up and tell Harvard (and the world with the internet) about our faith. You are an inspiration to me as a high school student and as a member missionary. Thank you for your inspired words!
Part of me is afraid of leaving a comment that sounds so uneducated... I promise I won't cite any scriptural references. I felt that you were very eloquent, wise and diplomatic in your responses to Ms. Quinn. I also noticed those same attributes while answering many doctoral citations in the comment section. I am thoroughly impressed with you as a person as well as your obviously strong testimony of Jesus Christ. I was sent this forum in an email and loved watching each segment besides the LDS segment. It must have been a wonderful experience to participate in such a diverse panel. You rock the Casbah...
p.s- I totally think you're winning by way of comments- you have tons!
Nicely done... Ms. Quinn does not have much light in her... my vibe is although she gave you a chance to voice your opinion.. her intentions are not wholesome.. her body language speaks volumes.. her attempts to muck rake were embarrassing... steer clear of this woman... as she is a wolf and her motives are not pure.. she is in my view attempting to destroy..
You were tremendous..
Keep the Faith.. don't let her push you
Mark
I hope when my daughters are your age they are prepared to answer similar questions with as much conviction and knowledge as you did. We watched this clip for family home evening and had a wonderful discussion about being pepared in knowledge and spirit to share our faith with others. Your testimony of the Saviour was powerful! Thank you for sharing it.
I only wish that more of us could express ourselves in the same manner. You were amazing. Thank you for sharing your light.
Richard Packham's comment wasn't fully addressed, although the explanation of 1 Nephi 14 was very good.
The way I understand the Lord's comments to Joseph Smith about the other religions is in the same vein as the Lord's rebuke to Peter in Matt. 16, referring to him as "Satan", and "an offense". The Lord is generous with both praise and criticism.
The Lord's specific criticism was “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men (i.e. too much culture crept in), having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof (i.e. no apostolic authority to perform ordinances).”
Now, of course, none of *us* would be able to legitimately deliver that criticism. The Lord says what he says, and like the brother of Jared, we should humbly reply "I know that thou speakest the truth, for thou art a God of truth, and canst not lie". (Ether 3:12).
Well done on all accounts.
I believe I agree with you in that there are lots of religions, many with great teachings and beliefs. While many religions have many of the same beliefs we do, they do not have the full truth. Does that make them wrong? No, just not complete.
The belief we are superior to all others is not an attitude of God. We are not superior, just more enlightened. We all believe in the same God, just with different understandings.
Best wishes.
As I watched and listened to your interview, many fellow Harvard Mormons so much like you came to my mind. I had the great privilege of being the Director of the LDS Institute at Harvard in 1978-1984, and through your words so beautifully expressed, I heard anew their voices and feelings often stated in our Institute classes, social gatherings, and especially ice cream parties or Patriots Day breakfasts at my house in Lexington following the reenactment of the Battle of Lexington.
I felt your interview was a great privilege for you and that you nailed it very well. I beamed with pride at your spontaneous responses and I reveled in the memory of so many like you from so many years ago--how I wish they had been given the same privilege. The United Ministry often held open houses intermingling students from all of the faiths represented in the United Ministry. The office space in the basement of Memorial Church restricted the number we could invite, but always our students anxiously participated and invariably answered the same questions you so beautifully responded to. Their convictions and manner were also felt and often commented about by fellow members of the Ministry.
I loved your ability to express the depth of beliefs--testimony, and how well you described what it was to you and how you account for it. Beyond the words that so well carried your convictions, the soft assurance, demeanor, and spirit that accompanied them carried the thoughts of your heart into mine, and I am sure have and will carry them into the hearts of most of souls who observe your interview.
Thanks for your comments about diversity and richness of your Harvard experience. I felt exactly the same. My upbringing was in Logan, Utah--totally LDS. I needed and relished in life at Harvard. My greatest friends (and defenders) were my fellow ministers, pastors, rabbis, priests, sisters (nuns), etc., who regularly searched my convictions and our view of key issues that presented themselves week after week. The kindness and respect they always showed me fit very well with your comments about the truth and goodness in all denominations and our need to expand our tolerance and respect for all faiths and all people of faith. One of the greatest compliments of my life was being chosen by them to be President of the United Ministry, and a member of the Executive Committee for several years.
Please pass on my love for the LDSSA and the students and staff of the Institute of Religion--my heart is still there though I am now on the religion faculty at BYU.
Congratulations,
Alan K. Parrish
While many in the media are looking to divide religions (religious intolerance seems to sell papers) it is nice to see people of different faiths and understandings coming together to learn and share ideas.
I think this has been a deathblow to the media's on-going stereotype of the "Utah" Mormon. My favorite moment was near the end when each of the other panelists, each of a different faith, showed respect for Rachel.
Thank you!
The Spirit was definitely present when you spoke! You were direct, candid, and honest...it reminds me of the scripture: "For I am not aashamed of the gospel of Christ.."
You were great!
Just wanted to also say how wonderful it was to watch this question/answer session. Thank you for being a light that anyone can appreciate!
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Thanks for a very honest heart felt explaination of Moronism in the life of a young adult. Oh, that more twenty yeay olds were more centered and had as good a graps on faith and spirtuality.
Bless You
Thanks for adding to my testimony of Jesus Christ , Moroni says that the Father has bestowed charity upon all who are true followers of His Son , I know that makes one humble as you are, I see many couples at the Idaho Falls temple making marriage covenants under proper priesthood authority for time and all eternity and hope as you do so this summer that I might get a glimpse of that sacred occasion in your family's life. Your Brother
Love
Kayleen
In light of the TV guide and the HBO series "Big Love" coming out with an article and show about the sacred temple ceremony, I applaud the reverence that you showed regarding the sacred nature and the wearing of temple garments. Even without the experience of the Temple Endowment or having them yourself, you answered the questions with grace. Your parents and teachers have taught you to reverence the experience and they also deserve kudos. The moderator said; "they can be ordered online" almost as if that made them less than what they are. Our knowledge and learning make them sacred to us. It's too bad that some are not inclined to that respect. Thanks for the whole show and for representing our faith in such a good light.
Most Sincerely
Kathy Ford
David
P.S. Props from my wife Chantel. She's from Blackfoot too!
Just watched the Day of Faith few minutes ago. You did a wonderful job. I will have this portion download to show our youth here in the Philippines what a prepared young woman of your age could do to" make a dent on the universe " by truly living our religion.
Carlo V. Crisanto
Iligan City, Philippines (City in the Southern Philippines where Muslim and Christian co-mingle)
Your video clip was forwarded to me from another seminary teacher. We are showing your clip tomorrow in a combined seminary AM class emphasizing Romans 1:16-17, as you epitomize what it means to "not [be] ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ."
I am amazed at the level of difficulty of the questions that you fielded; and moreso with the ease in which you answered them. Your non-confrontational approach was instrumental in bringing down others defenses and attributed greatly to the positive and lasting inroads that you created (2 Nephi 33:2). The members of the Church really benefited from your heartfelt and insightful responses. Thank you so much for being so courageous.
You did a terrfic job- so concise and with such clarity.
You checked the moderator again and again.
Your poise, vocabulary and grace ruled the forum.
Only the Jewish fellow held his own as well, but had so many questions that he was struggling with.
Good job you.
:)
dbs
I would love to know what kind of experiences you have had and responses you have received since this forum
That was truly wonderful. I am so impressed with your humble testimony and the articulate and respectful way you expressed yourself. I found out about this through my niece Shae Snarr (from Rexburg, ID) who apparently knows you through debate. I generally delete forwarded emails but I watched this today and was so impressed and touched by your remarks. You did an outstanding job on every single question. What a great opportunity for you. I have no doubt many, many lives have been touched by your simple, honest, testimony including MINE.
Thanks!
Tracy Smith (Rexburg, ID)
Jenny
Congratulations on your wedding. We were sealed in the Idaho Falls Temple in 1965.
I have been converted since 1986 in Venezuela. I was sealed 1992 in Salt Lake Temple. It was my dream to be sealed there since my baptism. Now, I have two beautiful daughters 11 and 9 and I'm so thankful to the Lord for them. I am also thankful that he gives you the opportunity to be viewed through internet.
Brother Parrish wrote about his experiences in Harvard and all the young and bright LDS students he met, when he was working in Harvard. I am also so thankful for these beautiful spirits the Lord is sending to earth to be the new generation of human beings. And my prayer is to the Lord to watch all the time for Gina Cecilia y Sofia Alejandra, so they can grow not only intellectuality but more than anything SPIRITUALLY.. Unfortunately I do not consider myself a wonderful example for them. I am working on it, sometimes and now realizing that I have a lot of "things on MY SHELF" and probably a lot more under ground or maybe in "WASTEBASKET". I'm very thankful to Heavenly Father to inspired me to keep working my part in his beautiful Plan of Salvation. I wondering if your Mom and Dad can share some tips with me about what to do to help our Father in Heaven to raise their children.
I have a friend in my ward and she has a 16 or 17 years old son who always inspire me to have faith in the young people.. I asked her once and she answered: "He was born like that. We haven't done anything extraordinary".
I am so thankful to the Lord for the missionary work, for my LDS and non-LDS friends, because I can see the Lord's love for them also. I am also thankful for my husband and the great support I have from him in spite of all the challenges we faced and we still face.
Congratulation for your marriage. That's the most teaching experience a human being can have.
I will include you and Scott in my prayers.
Norka Ortiz-Camargo Carr
P.S. Sorry for my grammar and spelling mistakes. This other thing a need to keep working on! ;+)
'Ofa Atu
Thank you for your willingness to bear testimony of the truths you know. I would be honored to make your acquaintance someday.
Kimberly Webb and David A. Bednar (church leaders) wrote this about it in The Friend/The Liahona 2007 Magazines for children: "One of the primary purposes of mortality is to learn—to gain knowledge and intelligence. The Doctrine and Covenants 93:36 states, “The glory of God is intelligence.” You might think intelligence means being gifted in academic work, but intelligence also means applying the knowledge we obtain for righteous purposes".
In this article "Your Charge: To Increase in Wisdom and Favor with God and Man" by Ezra Taft Benson in the 1979 New Era church magazine, President Benson said,
"This quest for wisdom or intelligence, which the Lord defines as “light and truth,” is a glorious challenge. Intelligence is wise and judicious use of knowledge".
see LDS.org > Gospel Library > Magazines > New Era > September 1979
I take that to mean that we are each responsible for what we do in this life and how we use our intelligence for opening our hearts and minds to understanding all of the possibilities without condemnation.
Go in Peace.
Religion is based on faith.
Here's another question. What is the difference in faith between the young Mormon girl and the Muslim woman next to her? Each knows that they have the one and only true path to God. Each knows that their prophet is the true prophet and the other one is false. Each one has a set of scriptures that is better than the Bible, the most correct book and the most correct book conceivable. Each is willing to make great sacrifices for their faith. Yet they both can't be right because they are mutually exclusive propositions.
To the Mormons reading this, as soon as you can figure out why you reject Islam and the Qu'ran, you'll know why I also reject Mormonism and the Book of Mormon.
What do you believe or practice? How is that different from any of the above mentioned religions? Do you reject all religion? What is your basic premise?
What do you believe or practice? How is that different from any of the above mentioned religions? Do you reject all religion? What is your basic premise?"
Kathleen, I don't have a premise. I'm okay with a little mystery in life. Works for me.
But I'm pretty sure that Rachel is Mormon because she was born Mormon and that if she'd been born Muslim, she'd be up there expounding on her Muslim faith and that a thousand little incidents in her life would testify to her soul of the truthfulness of Islam. I don't doubt her sincerity, or that she really feels good about herself when she follows her church, but that doesn't make it true.
ps. you didn't mention if you attended seminary. I can't imagine you didn't. :) Any advice you'd like to impart to me as a teacher or my students looking back on your seminary experience?
I sat and watched the video with my 11-year-old daughter. She was completely absorbed in what you had to say. I always pray that my children will be blessed with good friends and people who will influence and inspire them to good things. It didn't occur to me that one of those people might come through an Internet video. I will be viewing the video again with my 15-year-old daughter. Thank you for living your life in such a way that you could be prepared for this moment. By the way, you remind me very much of a young woman I know at Harvard - Stephanie Brinton - who is also engage to be married this summer. Do you happen to know Stephanie and her sister, Lindsey?
The following scripture also came to mind after watching this video.
D&C 100:5-8
5 Therefore, verily I say unto you, lift up your voices unto this people; speak the thoughts that I shall put into your hearts, and you shall not be confounded before men;
6 For it shall be given you in the very hour, yea, in the very moment, what ye shall say.
7 But a commandment I give unto you, that ye shall declare whatsoever thing ye declare in my name, in solemnity of heart, in the spirit of meekness, in all things.
8 And I give unto you this promise, that inasmuch as ye do this the Holy Ghost shall be shed forth in bearing record unto all things whatsoever ye shall say.
Thank you Rachel for living your life in such a way that the Spirit can work through you to bless the lives of others.
Having said that, Rachel, you were and are a wonderful spokesman for all young women in this time.
In these days it is actually "comforting" to know there are young people like you out there.
What has Joseph Smith done?! He has added to the Holy Bible!
Referring to Rachel's comment on "the Fall" she states that she(Eve) made a wise choice!? Choose the better part? The decision that needed to be made in order to replenish the earth with children? That Eve REJOICED and was GLAD!? WHAT?!? No where in the BIBLE does it say that she rejoiced. God's punishment was the Pain of child birth for the woman. No where does it say that she wouldn't have had children if she chose not to sin. It just says that "In pain you shall bring forth children;" Genesis 3:16
How was bringing sin upon the earth a thing to rejoice about? Seperation from God.That is pretty twisted.
She believes that the LDS church is not the only truth...
CHurch DOctrine : Joseph Smith "You take all your other religions bring what truth you have and we will add to it"
The true scandal of the Holy Bible is that Jesus is the Only way! "Jesus said to him, "I am the way , the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6
Bottom line: We are all sinners. Have you ever told a lie? God's word says,"all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire.." Revelation 21:8
Ever stolen anything? Used God's name in vain? Ever been angry with a sibling?Called him/her an idiot? God's word says you have commited murder in your heart. "But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgement." Matthew 5:22
Ever looked with lust? "You have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not commit adultery.' "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already commited adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:27-28
James 2:10 "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all."
Do you see how impossible it is to measure up to God's Perfection. We CANNOT. Are you concerned that you fall short of Gods perfect standards and are on your way to hell? aka "outer darkness"?
This is why Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven. "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
You must repent(turning away from sin)
"Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord" Acts 3:19
With Love
~God Bless~