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17. Closing Ranks: The NRC, the Nuclear Industry, and…
10 months ago
Arnie Gundersen discusses inconsistencies between what the NRC, TEPCo, and the Nuclear Industry are saying privately and publicly. Documents from the French nuclear firm, Areva, and the NRC reveal what the industry knows about the Fukushima disaster.

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  • Philippe Chaniet 10 months ago
    The lack of information in Japan at this stage is amazing:
    - We get some meaningless aggregates of radioactivity but no breakdown which would help understand what exactly is happening.
    - We hear about the "fight" to stop the "leak" to the sea but nothing about the pool at reactor number 4. We can only guess that it is so radioactive that nobody is anywhere close to this area and if that is true then we can only hope for the best knowing that something nasty can happen any time.

    All this lack of information is intended not to frighten the population. This is understandable but it may well prove extremely counter-productive during the next "event".

    What we need to know is: What are the possible events and their probability? What should be done to avoid them but also more ominously what to do in the not so unlikely event that something happens.
  • ghis 10 months ago
    You give strong motives to the people in charge of this accident : they are voluntarily hiding information from the public and reality is much worse.

    But actually we don't know nothing about it, they are in greater incertainty than we think and above all don't control all the parameters here.

    They can't give clear indications about the end of this event because...they don't know, they live like us, day after day.

    This incertainty is unacceptable for us but we have to live with it.

    As your name suggest it, you can read this article in French : sciences.blogs.liberation.fr/home/2011/04/fukushima-linformation-officielle-sur-les-r%C3%A9acteurs.html

    We can only have hypotheses at the moment. Future is unsure and this provides insecurity.
  • Philippe Chaniet 10 months ago
    This is not about "strong motives" but about the lack of transparency. There are unknown factors indeed but known ones are not published. This is especially the case here in Japan where there is less information available in Japanese than abroad. One case in point is the lack of a clear map of the radioactive fallouts. Another is that the clearest presentation of what happened is from Areva!
  • ghis 10 months ago
    I need information like you and I want a transparency over the whole process. Even if they release full information now, we'll understand the whole accident and human failures later. We can only hope the quicker the possible.

    Nuclear industry is clever enough not to try to hide some valuable information because, whatever the protections, the intel will leak.

    We are in the middle of the storm (l'écume des jours...) and we need time to understand what is happening. One source of information isn't sufficient enough to make things crystal clear.

    I hope an international institution will lead a full independant report about the whole process. Since IAEA is clearly not independant on this case, the world (maybe France, since its engagement) has the responsability to do it!
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  • Yasen Velichkov 10 months ago
    Mr. Gundersen,
    first of all thank you for your efforts to deliver reliable information and analysis on the Japanese events.
    Unfortunately again we have radioactive leaks in the Onagawa NPP after the earthquake yesterday. It seems that nor the earthquake and the tsunami, neither design faults led to this situation. My conclusion is that there are many human factors involved combined with improper use of the japanese facilities.

    I am from Bulgaria and being Automatic control engineer, I followed every information about the safety upgrades of the Bulgarian NPP in the last 15 years. Despite all the upgrades of the soviet WWER's for about 1 billion euro including over 1500 design upgrades, including hydrogen recombination systems, installation of a vortex jet condensers, mobile emergency power supplies, waterproof diesel power buildings and many others, 4 of the total 6 reactors were closed before the end of their service life. At least on paper these upgrades would address almost every critical situation that Fukushima met, with the little difference that in Bulgaria we don't have tsunami or earthquakes above 8.0.

    Do you think that the Fukushima NPP could be far better prepared for what happened with upgrades that are in use in other NPPs built in the 60s and early 70s?

    Everybody says we have to learn from what happened with Fukushima, but haven't we already learned it?
  • Trojan Kitten 10 months ago
    The only thing to learn is that engineering issues, presence or lack thereof, play second fiddle to economic interests. But that's indeed probably for a later discussion.
  • Yasen Velichkov 10 months ago
    Yours is may be the shortest undisputable summary of the situation.
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  • Trojan Kitten 10 months ago
    The presence of Tellurium 129 was pointed out earlier by some as a possible bad reading of data by TEPCO. The report likely was pulled for similar reasons.

    They don't want to give inaccurate information, because experts then step in to put a narrative on that potentially inaccurate data. That said, the information coming out of them last few days is indeed more vague than usual, which is undesirable.

    What I find more worrying, is that experts would try to point out things are worse than they seem, but then leave vacuum by not taking the responsibility to interpret how should this reflect in the actions of people in the region.

    If 30 miles is not sufficient, what is sufficient? What other measures do you suggest for the people in Fukushima and the neighboring prefectures?
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  • BlackGhostMedia 10 months ago
    The media blackout on this is quite alarming, Searching for the Areva document gives 1 google result.
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  • BERYL SALTER 10 months ago
    The Solution from Dr. Friedman
    data.4noguilt.com/fukushimaV2.html
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