Hello Jo Me,
I understand your story and I believe that as you say it's a very personal experience. However I would say that it is in no way related to the matter here. We are talking about a state (Spain) in which its regional citizens are explicitly not allowed to democratically decide about their future as a nation. And with all due respect but, why should the peninsula go back to an Arab/Roman country? People here is culturally none of them now. Whereas the Catalan culture is part of our actual lives.
Great video by the way!

Hi Toni,

This is the problem, that other peoples opinions dont count.

In this video they dont mention that the level of education in Catalunya is lower than in the rest of Spain (Google "education catalunya")

They dont mention that the biggest importer of products from Catalunya is Spain, if they did separate, this would change.

They dont mention the real reason why people think Catalunya people are 'tight' this is because unlike the rest of Spain Catalan people dont tend to buy products from Spain.

And they dont mention that Catalunya was not its own kingdom, it was part of La Corona De Aragon,where the red/yellow striped flag they use comes from.

Anyway, keep on fighting about the past while the rest of the world moves on

Other people's oppinions count, yes. They do really count.
They count so much that this is exactly the difference about this video.

This video, at last, for once, tells our people's oppinion.

All that you say is what pp and right wing parties in is-pain always tell and promote.

Exactly the same story. Single strange people who had a little trouble and thought they shouldn't care for all this silly situation...

I wonder wich would have been your success in Germany, or in Japan, my friend.

We want to keep forward. You got it wrong, specially since I gess you take it personally, Jo Me.

We where one of the first (if not the first) parlamentary Monarchy of the modern Europe, back in 1205 where Carta Magna of Barcelona was given. To the first open city in Europe. After was London in 1215.

And we don't understand why our developed country has to keep living under the Totalitarism the Borbouns imported from France.
Dividing the people in all is-pain, using the castillians as executors and keeping this hate, century after century.

Nottice that there in their own country they got rid of them few decades after.
In is-pain, there's many poeple still being happy with them.

Tha fact that we got colonized by castillians through the French Borbouns has happened 297 years ago it helps nothing on accepting the situation.
For example, in the fascist years, happened something new about the population all over the country and this has brought to a new very different social issues in Catalan and Basquian countries. Since the figure of the "colon" appears finnally.


I, as every child, when we grow up, here, there is always the day that you wonder what's wrong when you nottice the language of the tv is not what your family and you speak with them, your friends...

The official language of this neigbour country...

It has all very well manipulated. I am sorry that instead of becoming our friend while living here, you have become our enemy.

Perhaps if you and your family would have watched this video before you came here, your approach would have been totally different - anyway, we all know what is the interest of a teenager on studing: - Shit another matter more!? But why!? Buufff... I don't want to do this, is senseless...

About Catalunya and it's relation with Corona d'Aragó, I gess you better should study more that geography-history class.

The count of Barcelona - main county in Catalonia - was king due to Aragó, yes, but all the strenght and the capital and the government was seriously in Barcelona. Eventhoe some centuries later, the cultural capital was València.

Catalonia as a non centralised country, kept the authonomy of each of it's lands and respected it's sense in history. Aragó, El Principat, Les Illes i València as where, respected this in UK.

The problem is when a third part entered the game, and a fourth...

- Have a look at history books for more info.

I wish you the best, and I am happy that personally, your life has gone well. I also wish the ethics of your business, as any other, suit the best hopes possible.

Have a nice life!

Hello Jo Me,

Exactly, peoples opinions have to count. So why would not they allow a legal referendum to ask people what they want?
I am not sure the uploader of this video is fine with political discussions here (even if it's in a polite way).
Nevertheless I feel it's a bit unfair that you make such statements without even including references, so I will reply back.
Regarding education I here link to the official PISA 2009 report(in spanish), provided by the Spanish Ministry of Education, hence no bias whatsoever. I recommend you to have a look specially at pages 57, 72-74,78-79,93...But feel free to have a look through it and comment.
goo.gl/hd2Ba
Regarding the product exchange between Catalunya and the rest of the Spanish state, I would like to say that that is a typical cliché used by anti-independence people in order to scare business owners here. I would recommend you to take a look at this study carried out by Josep Oliver(applied economy cathedratic at the UAB), there it is clear that Spain represents between 1/4th and 1/3th of the importers, and that this is decreasing by the year: goo.gl/fhJni (it's in Catalan, but there's plenty of graphs, I'd particularly recommend page 23). In this same document it is clearly shown how Catalonia is actually importing a lot from Spain, actually close to as much as it is exporting there. Interestingly though, the imported products from Spain are in no way decreasing in the same manner as the exported ones.
Besides, if Catalonia was an independent state, why would Spanish people not buy Catalan products? Out of hatred? Jealousy? I guess you are familiar with the Catalan products boycotts that took place specially in 2006 and 2010 among some Spanish sectors, and motivated by some hatred-lovers press. Well, they boycotted Catalan for instance cava(sort of a catalan cousin of french champagne to be clear). What they did not realize is that they were also boycotting themselves, cause a big % of the bottles used for the cava were manufactured in Aragón(northern region of Spain) and bought there, in the same way as many of the cork taps for the bottles, which were manufactured and bought in Extremadura(southern region of Spain).
Your last statement is, unlike the ones above, not wrong on the numbers, but wrong on the reading.
We are not 'fighting' about a past status, we are doing it for what we believe is a better present and future. I think you already made your point clear before with the Arab/Roman thing.
And I can tell you that we are most certainly 'moving on', as you say.
Cultural things apart, I recommend you to spend roughly 30min listenning to this video: goo.gl/qkRQL where the talker gathers information from various studies and clearly shows why there's also serious economic reasons to consider an independent Catalan state.
I'd gladly further discuss the issue with you, if you are interested. But again I would suggest to do it privately, cause maybe this video was not meant to generate political discussions.

Jo Me you comments are not true.

"In this video they dont mention that the level of education in Catalunya is lower than in the rest of Spain (Google "education catalunya")"

False, diferents studies show the level of the education in Catalonia is higher than the other regions of Spain.

"They dont mention that the biggest importer of products from Catalunya is Spain, if they did separate, this would change."

False, the actual importer percentage is 30% spain, 30% interior (Catalonia) and 30% international market.

"They dont mention the real reason why people think Catalunya people are 'tight' this is because unlike the rest of Spain Catalan people dont tend to buy products from Spain."

We do not boycott the products according to their origin, as do the Spanish, which we have made several boycotts only because it is Catalan.

"And they dont mention that Catalunya was not its own kingdom, it was part of La Corona De Aragon,where the red/yellow striped flag they use comes from."

The Crown of Castile attacked the Crown of Aragon, which was formed by Aragó, València, Catalunya, Balears, Murcia, etc ...
Catalonia in the Kingdom of Aragon, was an independent state with its own laws, their own righteousness and their own government, and Aragon had no case in Catalonia. We lost the war and we Castilians banned our language, Catalan, we eliminated our institutions, our parliament, and in retaliation, were from village to village, killing one in three Catalan.
Catalunya not joined voluntarily, to Spain, was colonized by the force of blood and weapons.

The signal of the four poles is one of the oldest in Europe. The witnesses are in the oldest stamps of Ramon Berenguer IV, Count of Barcelona, the years 1150 and 1157. The marriage of Ramon Berenguer IV and Petronila, daughter of King of Aragon, the descendants of the Counts of Barcelona became kings of Aragon. Despite taking the title of Kings of Aragon, did not adopt the traditional Aragonese arms but remained held its signal heraldic family, the Counts of Barcelona.

And most interesting is that all the arguments he gives Jo Me are the same arguments that the Spanish men, which suggests to me that is in reality Spanish, or as has happened to many, has been deceived by the lies and manipulations of Spain.

Against this we have to fight day after day, the Catalans, the constant manipulations of the truth by Spain.

I recomand to all english speakers visit the web of matthewtree.cat, is a English men live in Catalonia for many years, and contribute to speak the reality of Catalonia without the manipulation of Spain.
And look this interesting video.
vilaweb.cat/noticia/3777377/20100922/catalunya-matthew-tree.html

Thanks.