On June 16 Senior Correspondent David Brancaccio and Sustainability Scientist John Hofmeister met for a candid talk about The Future Energy Abyss. This wide-ranging conversation spanned issues such as climate change, energy independence, and the Middle East, as well as former energy executive John Hofmeister’s journey from big oil to sustainable farmer. A rare and provocative dialogue followed by Q&A.

Moving by Degrees is presented by American Public Media’s “Marketplace” and The Gary Comer Global Agenda. This event is in partnership with ASU’s Global Institute of Sustainability.