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19. FilmFellas - webisode 2
10 months ago
"A Reel Experience"
Cast One: Steve Weiss, Philip Bloom, Peter Hawley, Steve DaDouche
In the last webisode, "Web of Opportunities", Steven Dadouche’s idea of taking on other jobs in order to fund a film career was cut short, but with the release of webisode two, "Reel Experience", the Fellas begin to reminisce on their past experiences, hardships and roles as young filmmakers working in the biz. They discuss how important it is to utilize any avenue of learning such as; film schools, courses, mentors and the internet in order to advance your knowledge.

“Every job you do, you learn something and you become a better filmmaker” Steve Weiss, Director

This time at the table, the Fellas stress that experience and time behind the camera is what counts. So, hop back into the conversation and watch webisode two, A Reel Experience. Subscribe at filmfellas.tv or iTunes and immediately be informed when new shows arrive. The Fellas will return on February 1st with an all new webisode.
  • Joseph Stunzi, IENCE 10 months ago
    GREAT Video Steve. I'm excited to see where FilmFellas is developing and heading. I can't wait for Cast Two and for the next Cast One episode.
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  • Stephen Lewis plus 10 months ago
    Love this,
    I am suffering through a film theory class right now at UCSB, not liking it... too much Karl Marx and not enough Groucho Marx... if you know what I mean.
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  • Olimpiu 10 months ago
    Nice! Thanks!
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  • Robert-Jon Eckhardt 10 months ago
    This made my hair rise all over my body (in a good way!) and my heart skipped a beat when you said you don't care for film school degrees (once again, in a good way).

    This may sound stupid, but basically this confirmed I'm on the right track. I'm writing, shooting, testing, editing, tweaking, practising on a daily basis and just learning my own ass off. And uploading everything from the little tests to full short film productions for critiques.

    Well and the production of this series is just excellent, this is such a pleasure to watch. I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd love to see a making off of this. ;) I'm especially wondering how you did the lighting, the absolutely black background is so wonderfull.

    Only one negative thing, I can't believe you're putting these eps out in such a slow pace. Is that because of the time it takes to edit them, or are you just trying to torture me?
    Oh and again, no eating? ;)
  • Philip Bloom plus 10 months ago
    pleased to hear you are out there DOING it. It's totally the way I believe. Keep at it!! Phil
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  • Robert, thank you for your support. Yes, the editing is a pretty serious endeavor and our editor George Patey is taking an hour and 15 minutes worth of footage and cutting it down to 4 webisodes. It really takes a couple of days to finish one webisode and he is a pretty in demand fella. Last week we shot Cast two, it’s going to be riveting. People said things I never thought they would say. Stay tuned. You can see a behind the scenes photo here: zacuto.blogspot.com/
  • Robert-Jon Eckhardt 10 months ago
    Ok thanks.

    I'm definitely staying tuned. And since I found the show on iTunes now I will even receive it on my iPhone, may I miss it in my Vimeo-subscriptions. (Which I find very unlikely.)

    Keep up the good work!
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  • henriquedesousa 10 months ago
    Fantastic episode!
    I'm currently in film school but I feel that I learn a lot more from doing my own stuff. This course has been a great experience and I've been learning a lot about the History of film, film theory, etc. But everytime I film a short video with my friends, I feel like I learn so much more. This "trial and error" process has been a lot more useful than a whole year of film school.
    I still plan on doing a 1 or 2-year filmmaking course just to learn more about lighting, editing, etc.
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  • Philip Bloom plus 10 months ago
    There is so much to learn, I really am learning every day. Almost 20 years after I turned pro. Watch and learn whenever you get the opportunity, offer your services for free as an assistant. The rewards are often far more valuable than being paid!!!

    The other thing is just keep shooting. I have started another little film comp to get people off of their backsides. Zacuto have kindly offered to co-sponsor it. Go to my website philipbloom.co.uk to learn more. It's a lot more fun than sitting on the net watching other peoples' work!
  • Londonmark Films 10 months ago
    Yes....I agree with Phil offer your services for free it really works you can learn so much. I can vouch for this and immerse yourself in films, read, watch, learn, and dissect films by people that inspire you. Learn techniques from books, courses everything, and join Philip’s competition…and use the internet as it’s free, and it’s great for exposure. and then you can build yourself look at what I am doing londonmarkfilms.com I am changing my life after many years in business to something I truly love and enjoy.
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  • Peter Olejnik 10 months ago
    O, the internet...it's defiantly changing the medium in so many ways.

    As for the learning curves, I agree, there's always much to learn. However, since time is money, the trick is to find out first what you’re good at, and then exploit your talents.

    For instance, I am learning that hiring might be a wiser solution—may take a bit of humility, but it’s worth it. Let’s face it…there are just some people that are more gifted in what they do, plus, it can give you more time to focus on what you do best.
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  • Grandparents.com plus 10 months ago
    Can you provide any insight on how you make these videos? My company has been asking me to shoot round table discussions for months. How many cameras are you using? Do they all have operators? Are you using a dolly track for the moving wide shots? BTW, I like the black background compared to some of your older round table videos. Nice not seeing the cameras anymore.
  • OK, in a nutshell here it is. Yes, we have 5 cameras, they all have operators, 4 cameras are stationed in or around the four corners of our stage, then we have a dolly on track wrapping around the table and chairs. The tricky part is the dolly can be blocking one or two cameras at any one time, so you need to have a good reaction shots to cut to. We roll all of the cameras once and I clap my hands for a sync point. All of the cameras are put into Final Cut and aligned to the sync point. The editor edits the show carving the stories from what is said. When we finish the dialogue bed the you can literally switch the show live with the multi-cut feature in Final Cut picking the shots that are best for each particular moment. The interesting thing is that every shot, every reaction you see is really what happened at that moment.
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  • Barak Epstein 10 months ago
    nice webseries. only, are they ever gonna eat that food in front of them!? I say either let them eat or start shooting it after theyve eaten... ie, they still drink wine but have empty plates.
  • Yes, funny about the food. When we shot these episodes everyone was so enthralled with each other that I don't think anyone ever realized there was food.

    Starting with webisode 5 most of the NEW cast wolfed the food down before we even started, they showed up hungry and thought we were really having lunch.

    We tested it and it's kind of gross seeing people shot in a CU and watching and hearing them eat food. The food is kind of pretty to look at, so having it all missing would lose something.
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  • Alan Bradley 10 months ago
    O.K., I'm hooked. I am seriously bummed when it ends. Now I'm waiting for the next one.
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  • Emmanuel Etim 10 months ago
    Same here. I am hooked. From Mr Bloom's experience on wedding videos and doing 3 and calling it quits, to realizing that these conversations are close to same that I am having with my mentors and peers. Thanks to all of you..
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  • John Fitzpatrick 10 months ago
    great video, i go to a film school "Five towns college" on long island and its a 4 year bfa degree. I do lik eit alot becouse it gives me good head on how to approach certain things and as well as have a huge selection of equitment for my use almost whenever. One thing that is prob the biggest plus to a film school is the ability to use equitment such as sr3 16mm film cameras and expensive gear and lightning one normally would not be able to use and learn properly hands on at the age of 18. you guys made alot of great points to the video good job!
  • Steven Dadouche plus 10 months ago
    John, definitely. I think the most important thing, film school or not, is that you have to physically get your hands on equipment, get out there and keep shooting. The barrier to entry is getting smaller as far as camera costs are concerned, however it is still a significant amount to shoot with equipment close to what the pros are using today. If its school, a friend, interning, volunteering whatever way is available that lets you get some hands on time with experienced people is, in my opinion, a viable avenue.
  • John Fitzpatrick 10 months ago
    Thanks Steve. I agree with you 100%. If you can get it use it!
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  • Phil Blauw 10 months ago
    These are really gaining momentum. I'm a vet of the business and really into these webisodes. Like most, I really liked the comments regarding school. As someone who currently also works part time in the collegiate ranks, I can really relate. Unfortunately, I think too many students think that by having the tools at hand they are professional. As Dirty Harry said, "A man's got to know his limitations". Exactly as you guys pointed out, the newbies have years of mistakes to make before they are really ready. When they learn to embrace that, they will gain a lot of respect from other pros.
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  • Phil Blauw 10 months ago
    A lighting question: How did you light your stage for the webisodes? China Balls?
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  • One overhead softbox with a 1 foot duvotine lip hanging down to contain the light falloff. The white table cloth helps a lot with bounce to fill in faces.
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  • David M. Wexler 10 months ago
    Steve,
    Another fun informative episode. I love your comments about experience and/with age (not hiring a DP under 35). I do have to say I wish I had the chutzpa like these young people starting out. As I did when everything was new and fresh. I bring enthusiasm to the job but, I’m not out there trying new things everyday like the newbies . Responsibilities! :-)

    Great Stuff
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  • Some Like It Shot plus 10 months ago
    We are living in SUCH an exciting time, sites like this and exposure room and even HD youtube are giving creative people outlets to have their work shown. Embrace it and spend your free time making stuff. You'll only get better and better. Exposure room comments are generally more critical, but sometimes you get good constructive criticism here too and that is so important.
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  • Dan Dobi 10 months ago
    you need to let bloom and the younger guy talk more ... also - highly disagree with the whole "i need to work with someone that's over 35" ... how much sense does that make? with new technologies/internet/along with jobs being ALL over the place now a days, you would almost think that the younger guys are more ahead of the curve than the old school guys. i'm 25, shot 35mm, 16mm, RED, and every digital camera under the sun ... would you not work with me because of my age? here's my reel: dandobi.com/reel-sizzle.mov

    lemme know!
  • Philip Bloom plus 10 months ago
    am not old school Dan but am over 35!!
  • Dan Dobi 10 months ago
    hah - that specific comment wasn't directed at you : )
  • Actually, Dan I was the one that made that comment. But I may have to recant it after watching your work. You are definitely a shooter and yes, I would love to work with you. I was trying to make a point, although sometimes I tend to go overboard. The point being that experience is important. I’m 46 years old and literally never had the options to make a movie in the 1980’s and 90’s. A bit jealous of you younger folks but also trying to make a point. A lot of young filmmakers are shooting films which don’t really give you daily experience of shooting, editing, etc. The point is get out and do other things along with your films and try to earn your total living with whatever kind of film/video work you can get. This to me is far superior to working a day job and making a movie once a year. Thank you for allowing me to clarify. I hope you can hang in there, we go to some crazier places in the upcoming webisodes.
  • Dan Dobi 10 months ago
    Steve - all good my man! i totally respect you along with this series, i think it's great & am looking forward to future episodes ... i might have come off a little rude earlier, so i apologize if what i said came off snappy. Because of age, i feel some people "put you in a box" and it's a stereotype that i hope one day will shatter, but to your credit, age = experience ... (or number of years working we should say)

    it's often that with first time clients, i'll purposely push BACK face to face meetings until i get a deposit because when people see a young face, their first reaction is "whoa, he's a kid". I get that, I'm not dumb, it's part of the game. i think what you guys said it best in this episode "let me see your reel" is really what should count regardless of age, resume, school, etc.

    Reel is everything. I think we agree on that! Please keep these videos going ... looking forward to more!

    VERY respectively,

    dd
  • Dan, you remind me of a young ambitious kid in the early 1980's. Here a fun story along these lines. My producer and I were doing fashion videos (to be precise: 9 projector multi-image slide shows) for Christian Dior. Before video projection many companies opted for multi-image slide shows for projection at runway shows and conventions. The were very cool you could do effects and it was all automated to a click track on the soundtrack. Sounds primitive, but the resolution was "FILM" and fashion companies didn't like how the garments looked on video. I'm going to try to find one of these shows that we transferred to video and post it on vimeo.

    So we originally sold Christian Dior's mens suits on doing this cool kind of 1940's film Noir look, because that was the look of the line that year. After a year of doing shows for them they told us they wanted to have a more hip modern feel for their line, so we were cool with that. But the head designer said they wanted to hire some young guys to do it instead. I was like, "I am a young guy", being 25 years old, but was perceived as the dude in the 1940's. So you are correct, age is not really what I should have said. Experience will be my new word.
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  • Stefan Neubig 10 months ago
    nice. looking forward for episode 3.
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  • Kevin Terrell 10 months ago
    Great video

    Love it

    Thanks for using less dolly the second video
    It got to be a little much on the first one
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  • david bliley 10 months ago
    Great insight, Fellas. I and most of my friends in the biz are college dropouts. Much more practical experience out there. Although, the colleges ARE getting much better than when I was still splicing 1/4" audio tape with a razor blade in '95.
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  • Josh Minogue 10 months ago
    Ok these are too short! Once I start getting drawn in it's over..owell, I love the webisodes!
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  • Sean Cruser 10 months ago
    oh man, really, i love everything you guys are saying. as a fresh, early graduate of film school (where production outside of courses was DISCOURAGED), i can say my work was better than other students because i had been doing video production since i was in jr. high and still made anything i could outside of the classroom. to further bring the point home: nothing on my reel is from class projects. we weren't even encouraged to make a reel. it was all pretty surreal and ridiculous, ha. but after having such a frustrating time in film school (which i believe many people DO need), it is nice to hear comments from people actually working in the industry. so thanks again!
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