Agreed. Telling people who they should love is like telling people when to breath.

Great site....and touching! Love is love no matter who it is. It's time for all of us to WAKE up and FEEL the love instead of just saying the words...we are all the same and we all want to be loved for who we are and not for what we can do...ALL WE ARE SAYING....IS GIVE (PEACE) LOVE A CHANCE!
Patricia Scroggins

Opposition to Gay marriage doesn't include hate. I can love homosexuals (and I do) and yet not waver on a standard such as marriage. Your Galatians 5 reference is a little confusing since this chapter clearly discusses the false doctrine of having to circumcise yourself in order to become Christian. Paul states that circumcision isn't neccesary and he wishes that the people who were saying that it was would emasculate themselves. His statement that the Law is fulfilled in "loving your neighbor as yourself" is related to the Old Testament not the New Testament as he refers to it as the fullfillment of the LAW. But even if you could somehow pull some applicability out of this scripture, calling sin what it is, is the very soul of love. Ignoring God's standard and/or using it to denegrate a person is the soul of hate.

I'm not Christian, and I know there isn't a God. (much like you know there is!) - What should that have over any place on my life? I'm curious, you speak of the religion sanctity that is marriage. You wouldn't 'waver' on a 'standard such as marriage!'. Then why aren't you fighting for shows like the Bachelor to be taken off the air? Why aren't you trying to pass some law that would make 'Who Wants To Marry A Millionaire!' illegal? For some religious/spiritual crap, I really like where you guys 'draw the line'. Marriage has *nothing* to do with religion. For me. Nothing. Zip. Nada. Since it gives you tax breaks, spousal benefits, etc - it's NOT religious. It's a government/federal 'thing'. Go nuts and get married in a church, I don't care. But how dare any of you preach and shout out about the 'sanctity' of 'marriage'. the 'Standard such as marriage' when you have no problems when straight people are doing what they're doing. Shame.

This site isn't geared specifically to "the choir." This has the ability to impact a lot of straight people. It's up to people like YOU to spread the word. Tell 10 people about this video and encourage them to tell 10 people each.

People who sit back and complain and don't take any creative action or utilize simple tools at their disposal are the reason we lost 8. No one is going to hand anyone anything.

This is a touching, beautiful, yet sad video...so powerful! I am straight (but I am part of "the choir" ;) ). I have posted the video and the web page with the petition on my Facebook page, and sent it on to my friends and loved ones.

It is up to you (and all of us) to share this with those we know that aren't in the "choir". Don't be part of the problem, but part of of the solution.

Me too!
Forcible divorce is a form of torture.

Wendy Poole
You are so right!! Me and my other half have a very good relationship. And we know striaght relationships that are just nutts. Because they have more problems then I ever heard of. We are to love each other that is why you become a couple why would you want to hurt each other. Life is too short Love and Live as a couple with the one that makes you the happiest who ever that is!!
No one should make that choice for you. And I also feel we should be able to adopt any childern we can love anyone as well as childern. We can show love too and take very good care of childern. Love is Love it's that simple.

Hi Tina,
Here's a video I made from an EQ/CA rally in Sacramento.
vimeo.com/2253201
Keep up he fight!

You exemplify the cold lizard-like conservative mentality that human love is about who sticks what where. By the way, do you imagine that any of these gay people didn't grow it in families and a society that told them being straight was the only "normal " thing? Homosexuality is a natural part of the spectrum of human sexuality - and many animals- and it always has been and always will be. Deal with it.

Does your argument seriously involve you saying your worried about your son shitting every time he farts? Was that a joke? Not everyone believes in the christian religion, or any religion at all. This country was founded on the idea of separation of church and state, and your religion has no place dictating which civil rights should be allowed to the free people of the United States. If you are so worried about the state of the American anus, I suggest you start by asking yourself how it is you continue to shit from your mouth.

Well, *my* anus was made for sex. God made it that way.

"Marriage is something that was established by the bible for man and woman. "

Actually, while marriage predates recorded history, the concept of marriage was found in the Vedas, which are the oldest sacred texts in the world (i.e . older than the Bible, or in a little kid's terms, "The Vedas called it first!").

Hi Alex,
I think you have the best rebuttal in all for reasons to overturn Prop 8. You have made me believe that there are true Christians out there that are not driven by judgement and hate. Honestly, I am an Atheist and things like homophobes are what have turned me away from religion. I think you are an awesome and amazing human being. And by the way, I am heterosexual, just supporting the cause.

What on earth does religion have to do with getting married? In short, everything. The marriage bed is given by God thats why sex outside of marriage is sin. Marriage is God's purvue.
As to your comments that only a couple of chapters are against homosexuality... what do you want? A book? A whole Testament? One sentence would have sufficed. One word. If you truly believe that the Bible is God's inspired word, how many times does he need to say it before you obey? Stop cherry picking passages that agree with your worldview and realign your own life. Either accept the whole Bible or none of it. Nothing else makes sense.

My comment wasn't stating that we don't need to embrace and grow the love of Christ in our unions, it was that, in America, it's perfectly legal and often commonplace to get married OUTSIDE of any religious recognitions. People get married ALL THE TIME without involving God and this nation is 100% fine with it. So all of a sudden, same-sex couples that have been together for decades want to recognize the seriousness of their relationship, share their love to a parent-less child, and share some basic legal rights like health insurance and next-of-kin rights and people start freaking out. It makes no sense, especially from a christian perspective, where we have accepted unions from every other walk of life, even atheist unions.

From a strong christian standpoint, I don't understand why this issue is being approached with hatred. Why can't we just let these people have their LEGAL rights? So what if a church doesn't recognize their union? Does that mean their children need to be sent back in to the system or their families need to be busted up?

I agree that these unions shouldn't be recognized by christian churches. That just makes sense and THAT'S me agreeing with all of the Bible (except the stoning and the slavery stuff).

But this is America. Greatest country in the world, FOUNDED on the separation of church & state. I think if you can't accept what this country is all about, you're more than welcome to find a place that is more your speed.

My apologies. I must have misread your post. As a civic issue, I have no problem with same sex unions. They work, pay taxes, contribute to the general welfare of the state and should recieve the backing of the state. But marriage is a completely religious union and as such is beyond the authority of the state. While the state may choose to recognize marriage as part of the civil body, it does not dictate which class may marry which class, arrange marriages, genetically match pairs for breeding purposes, or in any other way get involved with the sanctity of the marriage ideal. The only situation in which the state interjects itself is when the marriage is disolved and again becomes a matter of property and law.
The people choose what the state can recognize as marriage and the people have made their decision.

As to whether or not Prop 8 will be overturned, I have no doubt that it will. But this will not make homosexuality moral nor will it make it acceptable to God - man perhaps, but not God.

What you have here is religious people excercising their civic right. They have their own moral opinions and they have expressed them as they have the right to do. Do not denegrate their right to cast their vote as their conscience sees fit.

As to the "except for stoning and slavery stuff", if you are rejecting any section of the Bible - then you reject all of it. You cannot claim adherance to the insired word of God if you only accept sections that you agree with.

For all you stupid people out there. It does also say in the Bible that, he who so ever believes God shall be welcomed into heaven. I'm gay & me & my partner have been together for 20 years. I believe in God & i don't think it's immoral to be gay!! I'm so sick of you religious freaks infringing on our rights to be whatever we want & who ever we want to be with. It's none of your business!! What about out civic rights??

Michael, belief without action is no belief at all. The devil believes that God exists but by his disobedience he is shut-out of heaven. You may be comfortable with the idea of God, but that doesn't mean you believe in him or that you obey his commands.
As for you not thinking that it's immoral to be gay, well, bluntly it matters more what God thinks than what you think doesn't it?
As to us "religious freaks", I'm not stopping your relationship. I'll condemn it as sin but I'm not going to take away your free will. You can copulate with as many or as few people of either gender that you wish. But I will excercise my right to vote that it not be sanctified under the title of marriage. That's my civic right. If you disagree, excercise your civic right and vote otherwise.

@Anonymous - I beleve that the slavery stuff happened, I can't possible agree with ownership of people as property.

Sorry for the delay, didn't see you reply. What I meant about accepting all the scripture is that slavery, like many things, while wrong, was an opportunity for Christians put in that position to share Christ with their owners. What greater example of the love of Christ than the forgivness of a person who has done such evil to you, and the struggle to bring that person to Christ? Thats why Paul says there is neither "slave nor free, male nor female, jew nor greek". God does not see us as better than each other by virtue of station, only by virtue of obediance does he judge his approval.
Check out the book of Philemon and what Paul does to an escaped slave. Instead of creating an underground railroad, he sends him back to his wordly master with a letter comanding Philemon to look kindly on his former servant who is now a Christian. He reminds Philemon that he was a slave to sin until Paul freed him and so he should treat others with the humility of a slave made free.
Four other examples of slavery and how a righteous man behaves while under it: Daniel while he was part of the captives of Israel, Esther while she was seeking to save her people from extermination, Nehemiah while he was the king's cupbearer, and Joseph while he was in Egypt.

There is so much there to study. Don't reject it because it clashes with some opinion you currently hold. Study it and find out where the deeper meaning is.

So Against,
You are just going to keep teaching kids how to hate and be prejudice. Being around gays does not make you gay, it's not a choice. I have plenty of gay friends and I am straight, hasn't rubbed off on me or my children yet.

Amen!!!!!

I'm with you on this!

Blessings upon you and yours, (if that is not offensive to you),

In God's name? In the name of God you would deny these people the truth of His word by mumbling platitudes and hiding behind misquoted scripture? It is no wonder that people are confused as to what the Bible says when there exists those such as you who misuse scripture to suit their own worldview.

2 Anonymous: You have made so many good points in your comments. I'm glad to see that there is someone else that understands the true meaning of Sacred Scripture. There are several incidents in the Bible where God's people show that homosexuality is a sin. When we sin, we willingly turn away from God. I hope I do not offend anyone because I have received cruel comments because of my view on the subject matter. We are not prevent "gay/lesbian" people to have rights....they have rights as American Citizens. We simply limit their option of marriage. (we=Americans)

Thank you soooo much!!!!!

It's "Fidelity" by Regina Spektor. Beautiful!

AMEN Kelly!!!

I so agree with you on that. Can we sit back and see how many politicians would be on death row just for infadelity

If you don't understand the difference between Old Testament Law and New Testament Grace, I'm not suprised that "your" god thinks homosexuality is acceptable. You are trying to equate Jewish Law with moral conduct that spans both testaments. Yes the Old Testament would have killed you if you were a homosexual. Also if you were a disobediant child, an adulterer, or if you caused the miscarriage of a baby. But we are not Jews. We are Christians. Christ came so that instead of stoning everyone in sight, forgivness would become available as long as you repented of your actions. Thats where the "go and sin no more" phrase comes when Jesus stops the harlot from being stoned. It is entirely in God's plan to welcome people who were once homosexuals but they must "sin no more".
As to the last statement, I've never heard of a war being started over homosexuality. What are you referring to?

My partner & I have been together for 20 years & we finally got married( twice). Please don't make us do it again!!! Thank you sandy for your kind thoughts!!!