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31. FilmFellas - webisode 4
10 months ago
It's time to pay the check. This is the final part to cast one. Bloom talks about owning gear and what should be called a film as well as the collaborative process. Weiss starts talking about directing styles, screen direction, camera movement, editing and the benefits of creating your style and sticking with it. Hawley talks about David Lean. DaDouche talks about how directors need to have a general knowledge of all of your departments, including editing.

Get ready for cast two with Steve Weiss, Joe Swanberg, Kris Williams & Susan Buice that premieres on March 1st and it's a wild ride. Subcribers get a preview a week before. see trailer: vimeo.com/3107303
  • Joseph Stunzi, IENCE 10 months ago
    i like the shoutout in this!!!!
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  • Tony Reale 10 months ago
    Another great episode. It would be great if actors held their DPs with the same regard...Mr. Bale...
  • Yeah, really. The DP should have walked and said you shoot the scene Batman.
  • John Fitzpatrick 10 months ago
    Indeed he should..... i also recall Mr. Bale making 20 million for the terminator. As well as beating his mother and sister. honestly i don't even know what to say about this guy.

    FANTASTIC EPISODE once again btw guys i really appreciate people putting up conversations that i love talking about!.

    I think i am gonna start cooking up a pasta dish when viewing these hah
  • Ryan Mackfall [CBP] plus 6 months ago
    seems like all that shouting on terminator has apparently amounted to nothing, I've yet to see the film yet.

    Steve this is a great episode, for me, its amazing to hear you guys talking this stuff. I'm 25 and working in a lot of live music but moving into film soon. I hope I can build the same grounding as you guys.
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  • Przemek P. 10 months ago
    Really great stuff! Can't wait for the cast two...

    BTW Boogie Nights is definitely one of the greatest movies i've seen. ;-)
  • I agree on Boogie Nights it's hightly under-rated. It has a lot of innovative camerawork and editing. But I'm also a huge fan of the Original "Planet of the Apes" Franklin Shaffner's masterpiece. Unbelievable direction, camerawork, music, editing and concept.
  • Przemek P. 10 months ago
    Well... being a huge SciFi fan i must CONFESS i haven't seen it yet, but i will certainly correct that soon. ;-)
    Also speaking about SciFi and innovative camerawork and editing, my personal favourite is new Battlestar Galactica - i fell in love with it from the first episode i saw.
  • Philip Bloom plus 10 months ago
    in my top 3 that one Steve
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  • zack mctee plus 10 months ago
    thanks for sending the recommend, I wouldn't have known when this was out otherwise, keep em coming!

    -zack
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  • Stephen Lewis plus 10 months ago
    Absolutely terrific discussion!
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  • Rick Horton 10 months ago
    I don't agree that there has to be any heated arguing on a set before a good film is made. That being said, my favorite director is Terry Gilliam and every film he's ever done is a battle, tooth and nail, with his producers. His DP though, usually never has to even have dialog with Terry. They have an almost telepathic relationship. The Director's DP has to be (the way I see it) pretty much of the same mind as the director, but for checks and balance, or crossing T's and dotting I's.
    I have a different take on creating your own style too. The way I see it, it is impossible not to have your own style, even if you were to blatantly try and be like somebody. Every director is ultimately TRAPPED in his own creativity. The best thing to do as a director is to do what inspires you, and not be afraid to be influenced by other great directors. Like I said, you'll end up with your own look no matter what anyhow.
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  • Brad C plus 10 months ago
    You guys are letting your food get cold.....

    Man, I was watchin this with my kids around and Steve drops an F Bomb! Jens must bring out the best in ya..

    haha
  • Ohhh. Sorry about that Brad. I didn't think kids might be watching. I'm a Dad and I wouldn't like that either. Very sorry, I'll clean it up in the future.
  • Brad C plus 10 months ago
    hahahaha Steve, it's ok man. She didn't even notice. Daddy was just "watching a boring video on the Playstation again" in her eyes I'm sure.

    Just playful harassment!

    I am finding just now that I'm getting into videography/cinematography that I'm appreciating older films and even new ones coming down the line. I may not always agree with the CONTENT of the movie, but every other aspect is now heavily appreciated. I watch things will a whole new perspective now.
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  • Sean Cruser 10 months ago
    another great entry into this. and whenever people say 'develop your own style' i always think of Wes Anderson. he totally makes his own movies and that's what will make or break the audience about to watch the film.

    also, PTA and Boogie Nights are the shit.
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  • Londonmark Films 10 months ago
    Steve, Phil and all,

    some very interesting points are raised here in this discussion. Steve is right to say that you must have you own style and to be type casted this is born out of your approach to framing, camera angles, building and telling the story. Irrespective of influences and styles from your favourite Directors or DP’s you will always film it your way. My homage to Philip, Richmond Lock vimeo.com/871713 was inspired by the location and his choice of framing in his original concept of the same name. Yet despite this my style comes through in my short.

    Philip is also right it doesn’t always have to be dialogue to be classed as a film, many examples exists who can forget Sergio Leone ‘Once Upon Time in the West’ the opening scenes! The themes and motifs created visually yet so descriptive and speaking volumes.

    Working as I do currently, I approach this in two ways directing, a very collaborative approach all cross board taking ideas and creative input from actors and crew. Second when communicating isn’t enough and those around you don’t understand the vision means a very driven approach keeping integrity to the concept.

    Today we as Directors also need be aware of the entire process, editing, filming, directing, sound and lighting. Only then can we truly achieve our visions in the best possible way. Knowing your limitations of what is, and is not possible, makes for a more realistic project with higher production values. Why? Because you have approached this being aware of what will be required to make something good, ultimately translating and transcending your message on screen and to the audience.

    A great series Steve, one I think you should be proud of.

    Best wishes
    Mark
    londonmarkfilms.com
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  • John Fitzpatrick 10 months ago
    I agree with the idea of least amount of dialogue as possible for short and some feature films.

    When a film of any type can symbolize and tell a story with the shots used rather than the words, i think is film telling way that can be really cool.
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  • What camera was used for this?
  • 5 HVX200a's and 1 HPX170 on a dolly with a Letus Elite and Zeiss ZF 35mm lens
  • Why so many camera's?
  • Some Like It Shot plus 10 months ago
    Only way to get 4 clean singles, also one cutaway camera, one dolly camera.
  • Philip Bloom plus 10 months ago
    actually thinking about it I thought we only had 5 cameras. the four singles and the dolly...
  • you're right, Phil. I forgot, we added the 6th camera for cast two. We shot cast two a while ago and I mixed the two shoots up. I'm getting old.
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  • Wow! You can do in with 3 cameras but a lot of editing.
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  • Philip Bloom plus 10 months ago
    My favourite episode. Just worried that the director i talked about will see this! whoops! Never yack on camera after a few glasses of wine!
  • Ed David 9 months ago
    Hey! You're talking about me. Just kidding. Hear you about being careful what you say on film though :)
  • Philip Bloom plus 9 months ago
    I hope you are better now than when I worked with you last time Ed :-)
  • Philip Bloom plus 9 months ago
    am almost certain one person I mentioned has seen this and it upset with me...I never could take my booze!
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  • Ryan Gibson 9 months ago
    I can't wait to see what the next cast has to bring to the table (no pun intended).
  • Philip Bloom plus 9 months ago
    am sure the quality will dip :-)
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  • Gavin Duffy 9 months ago
    i love this webisode, you guys are genius
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  • William Rich 9 months ago
    I enjoyed this series very much! I can relate a lot to Philips upbringing in the business.. I started in TV news as an editor.. then sound tech.. and worked my way up into shooting (as they called it back then) in TV news. I can also relate to Philips comments about not being able to afford personal gear back in the day.. My avatar is a picture of me back in 86/87 with an Ikegami 79D.. there was no way I could think to afford this camera in it's day. I remember the ike 79E was known as the $100K camera! and it had to be connected to a seperate 3/4" tape deck.. that was state of the art back then!
    I still shoot today (at that same network I started at in 1983)..
    using either BetaSX or XDCAM.. both gorgeous cameras in their own rights..
    I am purchasing a little Canon HV30 to play around with on my own after looking at the videos that little $500. camera produces! it's amazing!
    It's easy to imagine the possiblities..

    People like Mr. Blooms make videography look easy. But study the texture of his shots.. the color.. the composition.. the seamless flow and pace of the editing..
    did you notice he uses hard cuts rather than dissolves or transition effects? this is the sign of an experienced shooter/editor (sorry if the term 'shooter' offends)

    I really liked the point made about a 16 year old kid wants to spend 10,000L on gear and thinks that makes him a DP..
    My suggestion would be to use that money to learn the craft hands-on.. get a job in a small shop and make the 'rookie mistakes'.. become consistant.. learn how to operate their camera.. then learn to become a photographer.. then put the two together..
    Then.. learn about audio..
    then learn about lighting..
    then learn about background..
    foreground..
    lighting background/foreground..
    how to use your lens..
    etc...
    this is a constant learning process...
    Here I am after 25 years in the biz.. and still loving it!
  • Great comments Will. We have serveral HD79D's & E's hanging on the walls here at Zacuto HQ. For a guy like you it's like a museum of cameras here. Every office, every room has vintage 1950's - 1990's production cameras on the walls. I really need to get some photos of these on the web.

    I couldn't agree with you more. Phil's work is wonderful, excellent screen direction, lighting, composition & editing. You're preaching to the choir, that's why we love having Phil in our videos. But more then that he's just a very nice guy. We are coming out with a new webisodic series called Zacuto Indie Basic Trainging and Phil will be featured in some of these videos. Thanks for the great comments, Steve
  • Philip Bloom plus 9 months ago
    cheers william. Am glad you like my editing, it's a big part of what I love. A very famous editor once said to me "phil, a dissolve to an editor is an admission of failure". So many people stick dissolves in between every shots when they don't need to. I learnt to edit front panel tape to tape, so a dissolve was a treat when we could have access to three machine. With the advent of NLE transitions are by far the most overused and worst thing to happen to editing. Don't get me wrong, i use transitions, for effect. I also use dissolves too (sometimes when my edit has failed!!) :)
  • William Rich 9 months ago
    It's nice to see that some of the old-school 'tape to tape' editors are still kicking around!
    I personally have found that my upbringing in editing has taught me to 'edit' in the camera as I shoot. (especially on news/feature stories). I had the distinct pleasure of working with some of the best shooters in the US a few years back.. (several NPPA Nat'l Photogs of the year winners) and it was such a rewarding experience personally and professionally. I can't begin to tell you how much I grew as a photographer.. Now I have the artists here on vimeo to study.. in the world of News photography (at least where I work).. the words color-grading.. 24p.. film-like.. 16x9 are never spoken or even understood.. my goal is to introduce these concepts to them..
  • Interesting Phil,
    I too was an editor first, Director second. Back in the day we used to refer to dissolves as a change in time. So if you want to go from now to tomorrow you could dissolve. A cut is in real time. From this second to the next second.

    Coinsidentally, A few weeks back we had a kid editing one our videos (didn't go to well) and in one scene he cut from a shot of me talking to a shot of me taking and put a dissolve in. I said, you don't put a dissolve there, you are telling the viewer that it's a later time (when it really wasn't), here's the fun part I left out (he had 5 other in-sync cameras to cut too) Lazy.
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  • William Rich 9 months ago
    Thanks Steve! I look forward to see some of those relics from the past! How fun was it back then! The rules were different shooting with a tube camera! :)
    I also look forward to the new series!
  • Funny you say that, Jens and I were just talking today about how great it would have been back in the day had we had:
    1. HD
    2. 24p
    3. 16x9
    4. Cine gamma looks
    5. Cheap lightweight dollies
    6. Vimeo to present it on instead of VHS

    But we used filters and the tools we could to make things look film'ish using a JVC KY1900 & KY320 tube cameras. I was showing all of the guys in rentals the other day how we used to register the tubes with a tweaker. :)
  • Will,
    I found some pics of Zacuto HQ and some of the cameras we have hanging that Joe Stunzi shot when he was here in November and you can see them here: zacutoimages.com/p709661843
  • William Rich 9 months ago
    Wow! those cameras bring back the memories!!
    My first gig in TV was at a tiny local indy in Atlanta back in 82 which had 1(one) RCA TK76 (I saw you had one hanging on the wall).. and one set of bogan sticks that was held together by gaffers tape.. back then the station was owned by the CBN and we used to gather around the TK76 and pray it worked before each shoot!!
    My next gig was at CNN and used a Sony 330 connected to the monster sony 110 3/4 deck then later to the BVP3a w/beta deck.. then up to DC and worked at Potomac TV in 89 and used the Ike79D hooked up to the smaller Sony 50 deck which was lucky since I was one man band
    Then to Conus DC and had the JVC KY15.. (we used to laugh that we needed the KY for bending over for the boss!) then to San Diego and the horrible world of SuperVHS and M2.. they later switched to beta.. then rounded things back to CNN and off to the new world of SonySX and now XDCAM..
    Those pics really brought back memories!
    Thanks for posting those Steve!!!
  • You're welcome Will. I've used a lot of the same cameras you've mentioned. We are going to be releasing a new video "The Definitive HPX300 video" on Monday and when we were making the video yesterday, John Terendy, who is a producer in Chicago and in the video was also talking about the old days of lugging around a BVU80 3/4" recorder and that reminded me to get these pics up for you. Glad you enjoyed them.
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  • Bruce Tritton 9 months ago
    I can't stop watching these. Will you be selling a DVD of these and your new series (Zacuto Indie Basic Training) Steve?

    I would definitely pay to watch this stuff as there is probably thousands of dollars worth of info just in this one vid for us newbies.
  • Philip Bloom plus 9 months ago
    Could be a market there Steve. It would sort out my Christmas presents for this year. A DVD with me on it. What more could someone want!?
  • I showed my wife Lucy your restaurant video and even she is like "boy your English friend can shoot". And now she wants to come to England on vacation. Bloom, your talent is starting to cost me some money. DVD's I think not, you can watch the videos for free on the internet and download the original HD files. With that I think people should be able to get enough of Philip Bloom ;o)
  • Londonmark Films 9 months ago
    Phil is so humble! when are we going to have the bloom masterclass Film??
  • Masterclass Hmmmm... Don't worry Mark, we are going to have the Bloom Master ..... b...a...tor class, wanna sign up? ;o) I have a feeling we are stroking this guy so much he is going to lose his head.
  • Philip Bloom plus 9 months ago
    With our pound worth about 15 cents there has never been a cheaper time to come to the UK, probably not since 1856 or something!!
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  • Jay Shropshire plus 9 months ago
    I like these, you hit a lot of stuff on the dot. I do wish you would have some hardcore DP's that shoot only on film for their imput as well. My teacher Clark Harris knows DP Stephen Campbell real well and he is an amazingly nice guy. Maybe you could try to pull him for your next one. He talked to our class and he was just so interesting to listen about all the big projects he has worked on and things he has learned through out the years.

    Oh and I am happy to tell you that I will be shooting on your american rig with a magic arm with a sony ex3 or hvx and letus ultimate for my first independent film for miami film festival. Looking forward to trying your set up out.

    Thanks,
    J
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  • GROCERYBAG.TV plus 9 months ago
    This is the only show worth watching online.
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  • John Fitzpatrick 8 months ago
    out Of Curiosity Who's idea was it to pitch the idea for these Webisode's ?
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  • Colin Cabalka 8 months ago
    Im thinking there should be a Legit button that we can all click.
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  • Jon Raymond 7 months ago
    Steve, stop with the self loathing on your age. You're a young guy. But you're making me feel old. It's just a number. Love your work here.
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  • These shows are fantastic. I keep feeling like jumping into the conversation.
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