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39. FilmFellas - webisode 5
9 months ago
“Talkin' About Your Film Generation”
In Webisode 5, cast two has arrived for dinner to discuss their work, which has deeply resonanted with the new generation. Susan Buice reveals what she's learned from directing her web series, as well as her film Four Eyed Monsters. Kris Swanberg, director of Young American Bodies, breaks down her theory of creating something you love. Whether it's ice cream or cinema, you are only going to make the flavors that you like. Kissing on the Mouth director Joe Swanberg reminds the group that filmmaking is not always about making money, and Steve Weiss is back to converse about different generations of indie filmmaking.

This cast of FilmFellas is ready to dig into the center of this new film movement. The webisode series explores directing styles, Mumblecore, various kinds of distribution, making a living as a filmmaker, business models for the internet, and why artists do what they do. You do not want to miss out!

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  • Brad C plus 9 months ago
    hahahahaha

    "so you think..skip film school.......make wedding videos......"

    Sounds like at 30, I'm on the right track.
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  • Phil Blauw 9 months ago
    Hi guys. Nice work as always. Just a little suggestion, would be to get a small clip of each guest's work, so we have a little bit of a intro as to who these people are. I think it would add weight to their insights, and give us a little perspective of where they're coming from. Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for a demo reel, just a little visual background to give the viewer some context. My 2 cents.
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  • Yeah, I hear where you Phil, but it's tough, it really doesn’t fit the format because some people jump in at webisode two. So, here are some links to see these filmmakers work. I’ll make sure to do this in Future series.

    All of Joe’s films: joeswanberg.com/
    Susan’s Webisodic series: foureyedmonsters.com/
    Kris Williams webisodic series: ifc.com/youngamericanbodies/

    All of these filmmakers work can be viewd on IFC.com
    Steve
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  • bliss productions 9 months ago
    I just wanted to say thank you for your latest Film Fellas round table discussion. You mentioned Joe Simon, a friend and peer of mine and defended "wedding video" as an emerging art and viable means of storytelling and furthering the filmmaking craft. Your endorsement just put a smile on many of our faces because up until now we've been misunderstood and marginalized as hacks who can't make it in the industry.

    There is a growing subculture of wedding filmmakers out there doing amazing things. Joe is certainly one of them and if you are ever interested in learning more about other great wedding doc filmmakers to profile, I'd be honored to introduce you to the pack ---- we all have very different styles and approaches as well as we are an international brood. My medium of choice is predominately 16mm and Super 8mm. Instead of directing actors, I document actors, directors, producers in their private lives during one of the most personal and joyous days of their lives. To me, there is no greater reward than having people who work behind the camera hire me to make a film for them..... about them.
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  • Alex Newson 9 months ago
    really good love these filmfellas videoes keep up the work. i learn a lot
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  • Ammonite plus 9 months ago
    Great series. Thanks for sharing your collective wisdom.
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  • GROCERYBAG.TV plus 9 months ago
    Steve, this show is awesome... period.
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  • Philip Bloom plus 9 months ago
    Good stuff. Wedding Videography is easily the market with the biggest growth potential out there. There is so much crap being made compared to the quality stuff.

    A while back I very nearly decided to do it as a side line, like one a month. I got demo dvds sent to me from loads of companies and it really cheered me up because most of it was awful and I saw a niche...what I didn't see was just how bloody hard work it is. I have made four wedding films for close friends and not done one commercially. I applaud anyone who does this full time. It's epic work at times, exhausting and the pressure is enormous. You f*** up here and you have screwed up something really important to someone.

    So I am sticking to the much easier broadcast, indie and corporate world ;-) but I am guest presenter at the Re:Frame event in Austin in April for event videographers where I will be talking about how to bring more filmic and better storytelling elements to your films. I think it is sold out but if there are any spaces left I recommend going as there are some great speakers...

    Steve, do the dames mind being called fellas? ;-)
  • I think Dames/Fellas works interchangably, I'll check Emily Post. Are you felling left out Fella?
  • Philip Bloom plus 9 months ago
    how can you tell? :-)
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  • We are going to start releasing the FilmFellas webisodes a week early to subscribers, so please subscribe.

    Webisode 6 is going to be amazing. Trust me.

    I've taken advice from viewers who have asked for webisodes to be longer, so, it's a lot longer.

    Film buffs take note: Webisode 6 delves deep into the heart of Mumblecore, as cast two reveals the origin, tenor and target audience of the movement.

    Joe Swanberg, Susan Buice and Kris Williams reminisce about their experience at South By Southwest in 2005, where four different filmmakers came with similar projects that inspired the press to dub them “Mumblecore.” Steve Weiss argues that Hollywood’s missed the boat by not marketing films that speak to the current generation. Though all three young filmmakers insist that they only create art for themselves, Steve eventually gets them to reveal their own use of focus groups, comprised of close friends and festival audiences. “If you fail to communicate, then you’ve failed as an artist,” Susan concludes.

    You are not going to want to miss it! Steve
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  • Joseph Griffin plus 9 months ago
    THANK YOU! This video stymied all my questions. It's great to see some great guest stars! Keep bringing them back. Mumblecore next episode...I won't miss it.

    It's good to hear from others that on the road to better film making it isn't a step backward to do corporate and wedding work. It definitely pays better in the short term and I feel like it is a great venue to tell somebody's story in the most interesting way possible. Any advice or warnings for someone who wants to break into wedding videography ...
  • Yes, this isn't like when I did weddings in 1981. These people are serious filmmakers and their work is outstanding, something to be proud of. They have amazing tools now to create emotional, moving programs. We are going to do an entire FilmFellas cast soon on wedding filmmakers.

    To learn more go to: wedfact.net/ or reframecollective.com/
  • Joseph Griffin plus 9 months ago
    Awesome! Thanks.
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  • StarFruit Productions plus 9 months ago
    I absolutely love this show! And thanks again for the shout out to wedding filmmakers. I can't wait for the wedding filmmaker show!!
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  • Chris P. Jones plus 9 months ago
    Hey Philip,

    There is a spot or two left for Re:Frame Austin, so anyone wanting in better jump on it fast! Contact Julie @julie@elysiumproductions.com

    See you next month in the Live Music Capital of the World!

    jones
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  • Sean Cruser 9 months ago
    you gotta always be creating and making mistakes to make anything worthwhile.
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  • Mike Krumlauf 9 months ago
    CRAZY COOL SEEING SUSAN AND JOE ON HERE! Im friends with Susan as well as was a huge supporter for Four Eyed Monsters
  • Subscribe and you can see an advanced screening of webisode 6 with Joe, Susan & Kris that's up right now.
  • Philip Leake 9 months ago
    How can I see webisode 6?
    I'm subscribed to the channel... also to your videos and appearances... Is that it?
    I really want to see it, but I just don't know what to do or where to go... :S
  • You should be able to see it now, go to zacutovideo.com I added it to the channel.
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  • Arin Crumley 9 months ago
    "Skip film school, make wedding videos" haha, that is actually what I did. But I agree with susan and Kris that you don't really learn narrative story telling making corporate or wedding videos. But I agree with Steve Weiss that you really do learn a shit load with every single thing you do. Especially the technical side. Just recently I shot on someone elses web series and got to pick up the D90 and learned a crap ton that I can now infuse into my own productions. Even better then working on corporate or wedding videos is working on other peoples independent films because they you learn real independent filmmaking. you learn running a set. You learn coverage. ANd you meet the people in the mindset you are headed. THat is where i probably learned more then the wedding videos I did.
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  • Doug Spice 7 months ago
    Steve, I'm curious to hear more of your feelings on film school, since you say you are famously opposed to it. I rarely meet someone with a strong opinion on this topic (either way) who is also successful on their own terms, which interests me. I've seen this argument enough times that I now tend to avoid it at all costs, but I'm curious that you may have something new to say.
  • Here is what I have to say.

    School is great and you can learn a lot. I’ve have only taken two film classes in my life, one on lighting and one on editing and I must say I learned a lot, things that I still use today. But I could have learned these things from a Mentor or just for being on location. And I have learned much more just by being involved in 500 or so productions in my life. Yet every one we do, we try to learn something new. It’s never ending, especially cause the technology is every changing.

    But this industry is really about doing and experience. If you are diligent and create a lot of content and can constantly learn from the content you make, school might not be for you. If you can afford school and you take a lot away from it, then maybe that is the best option for you.
    I personally don’t do well in school and it’s not really for me. The bottom line is no one in this industry is going to ask you, nor care, if you went to school. When I hire crew member or employees I only ask to see their reels, I never look at if they went to school or not. I think most jobs you get in the film/video spectrum are going to be the same. Eventually if boils down to how good you are.

    So it’s a personal choice.

    Steve
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  • Doug Spice 7 months ago
    Yep. But for whatever reason, I've noticed that people seem to become ideologues on this topic, as if what someone else chooses to do personally affects the choices that they already made. The heat being thrown around in some "should I go to film school" debates approaches Mac vs. PC in intensity!

    Personally, I went to film school and I valued the experience. I'm glad I did it. But it's not for everyone. What's important is that people figure out some way to learn by doing, rather than by seeing. Reading books and watching movies can be very educational, but by themselves they don't amount to much when it comes to being able to walk the walk.

    Thanks for sharing. Any plans to do a 3rd cast? Much enjoyed the 2nd.
  • Doug,
    Cast 3 comes out on Friday.
    Hope you enjoy it.
    Steve
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  • Doug Spice 7 months ago
    Now that's what I call service! Thanks.
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  • ice cream, filmmaking and anti-school. these are my kind of people.
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