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11. stunning bass-string shot
2 years ago
Frequency of the bass strings and high shutter speed of the camera led to this surprising string-wobble footage.

There is no slowmo applied to the take. Sound is original.
Video was filmed with a Canon 5D MarkII, Nikon 50mm lens on 1,8f.


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  • mr. jones 2 years ago
    this is so bloody amazing!
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  • Wayne Avanson plus 2 years ago
    well cool

    Avey
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  • Dominic Sotirescu 2 years ago
    Quite an effect! You wouldn't be able to see this with a Red at 120 fps.
  • The Red has a rolling shutter too, so you actually might... :)
  • Arnar Birgisson 1 year ago
    This effect is not caused by the rolling shutter. The frequency of a bass string is much lower than 4000Hz (almost two orders of magnitude), so a 1/4000 is effectively going to freeze the string. That coupled with how the FPS harmonizes with string vibrations causes the vibration to appear in slow motion.
  • John Kennedy 1 year ago
    Best response. You are awesome.
  • Samuel Hurtado 1 year ago
    not really, arnar doesn't seem to understand how rolling shutter works: even with your shutter set at 1/4000, the bottom of the picture will be taken around 1/50th of a second after the top of the picture is taken; what the 1/4000 setting means is that each pixel in the image takes light in for a 1/4000th of a second; but with a rolling shutter that is not the same 1/4000th of a second for all pixels

    still, you need to set your shutter really fast, because otherwise motion blur will ruin the effect

    looking at the flicker video posted below, it definitely looks like a (really amazing) rolling shutter artifact
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  • Nandillez 2 years ago
    Looking for a bass player around!
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  • Olaf Henze plus 2 years ago
    niccceee!
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  • joe clark 2 years ago
    very nice, looks like stop motion
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  • Aurelio Santos plus 2 years ago
    Great video, man!!
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  • zolinko 2 years ago
    wow amazing
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  • Jackson Miller 2 years ago
    I guess that's bad though huh? I mean, if you didn't want it in there...

    Question, did you see this happening in the lcd/viewfinder?
  • urbanscreen plus 2 years ago
    yes i saw it in the viewfinder.
    it was funny.
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  • what shutter speed?
  • urbanscreen plus 2 years ago
    dont remember. could be that it was the fastest 5d is able to. it was a sunny day and i was filming with a nikon 50mm 1,8 with full opened aperture.
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  • Alex Urrutia 2 years ago
    wow, that's amazing, would it work with an electric bass?
  • urbanscreen plus 2 years ago
    i think so.
  • Geoffrey Barnes 2 years ago
    Very cool vid. I am also wondering about how piano strings would turn out at such a high shutter speed.
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  • Seb Lee-Delisle plus 2 years ago
    I'm pretty sure this would only work with the string going vertically from the top to the bottom of the screen. I think the effect is caused by the scanning of the CCD. The string would not appear to do that in slow motion.
  • urbanscreen plus 2 years ago
    good idea. but as shown in this video flickr.com/photos/_f/3768012394/ , wich was applied in a comment of my video, you can see the different angles of the 5d, and it still works.
  • Seb Lee-Delisle plus 2 years ago
    Yes but the wobbling effect is much reduced in the final part of that video where the string is nearer horizontal. If you were to video a string completely horizontally there would be no wobbling. (By wobble I mean the snaking effect like the letter S).
  • urbanscreen plus 2 years ago
    Oh i did not got that, maby your right. Tecnicaly your idea makes sence. Maby theres someone out there testing this in a more scientific setup to proof your theory. Ps. Lets call it wobble effect. Ilike this word.;)
  • Will Hughes 2 years ago
    It's very simple to explain.

    At the top end the 5D Mark II can be set to an exposure time of 1/1000th of a second for video (or possibly higher, I don't have mine on, atm to check).

    This is the same as taking a single frame at 1/1000th -- except that it takes 30 frames, each exposing for only 1/1000th of a second.

    A Double Bass has a frequency (according to the intertubes) of between 40Hz and 200Hz. Something vibrating at that range of frequencies is easily 'stopped' by something capturing at 1/1000th.

    Want to test it? Go grab a regular SLR, set it to 1/1000th exposure time, get enough light, and shoot a double bass being strummed. You'll see the strings vibrating there.

    The 5D Mark II in video mode is just taking 30 frames per second, rather than one.

    If, like with a camcorder, you set the 5D Mark II to use a more reasonable shutter speed (1/30th, or 1/60th, say) - then you'd notice the strings apeared more blurry.

    It'd also smooth out the movement of the player's fingers, which appear jerky.

    Simple. :)
  • Josiah Cooper 2 years ago
    excellent post!
  • endolith 2 years ago
    Taking the same video with the camera rotated by 90 degrees would prove that, right?

    I'm suspicious, too, since high-speed videos of strings being plucked look more like a pulse bouncing back and forth between the nut and bridge. youtube.com/watch?v=hRExwl11Upw youtube.com/watch?v=tZpeAJdD770

    Of course after the pulse has traveled back and forth a few times it disperses into the harmonics of the string, but I don't think it ever turns into this very wavy shape (which would mean that only a single high-number harmonic was present).
  • Samuel Hurtado 1 year ago
    it definitely is a rolling shutter artifact

    if you set your shutter to 1/60th or so, motion blur kills the effect, that's why you need 1/1000th shutter or something like that

    but the rolling shutter is absolutely indispensable, as it means that in these cameras, even though each pixel will be receiving light for 1/1000th of a second, it's not the same 1/1000th of a second for all of them: the bottom of the picture is taken around 1/50th of a second after the top of the picture was taken

    this "frozen image, taken at different moments in time for different parts of the picture" is what gives you the effect

    the other half of the equation is that, in order to get smooth movement out of a series of pictures like that, you need to synchronize your fps (24, 25, 30, 50 or 60) so that the start of each consecutive picture is taken at a point when the string is somewhat close to where it was at the start of the previous one

    really, really freaky indeed
  • Samuel Hurtado 1 year ago
    just to make it clear: the key to my argument is that, thanks to rolling shutter, when the top of the image was taken, the string was on the left, and then, as the rest of the image was progressively being taken, it was on the right, then on the left again, etc
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  • Michael Leonard 2 years ago
    How did you mount a Nikon lens on your Canon?
  • urbanscreen plus 2 years ago
    bought an adaptor ring at ebay!
  • John Kennedy 1 year ago
    This is the one I use ... bhphotovideo.com/c/product/197094-REG/Novoflex_EOS_NIK_Lens_Mount_Adapter.html
    Pretty awesome. Got stuck once though. Little elbow grease and all was kosher.
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  • Redditarghhhh 2 years ago
    Good to see the CMOS jellycam does have some benefits :)
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  • Jed Smith 2 years ago
    this would be even cooler if the video weren't frame-blended by vimeo's 30p->24p conversion.

    Very interesting effect though! Thanks for uploading.
  • Daniel Hayek staff 2 years ago
    Hi Jed,
    We actually encode up to 30fps for HD videos now, but this one was a little temperamental so it went through our older 25fps system.
  • Gabriel Shalom plus 1 year ago
    what are the chances of vimeo encoding at 60fps any time soon?
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  • Daniel Hayek staff 2 years ago
    Wonderful sound great job.
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  • Joseph Francis 2 years ago
    That's crazy. And I didn't know I could use my Nikkors on a Canon 5D Mk 2. I'll have to check into that more.
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  • Iris Inbar 2 years ago
    amazing.. loved the look you created:)
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  • Wesley Kandel plus 2 years ago
    Craziness!
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  • Zoltan Veneczi plus 2 years ago
    Unbelievable!
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  • felix menard 2 years ago
    I just discovered your video! I just updated my Canon firmware and gave it a try tonight. The result is not as striking with a guitar,but it just convinced me to play more with the fastest shutter speeds! flickr.com/photos/_f/3768012394/
  • urbanscreen plus 2 years ago
    very cool felix! nice done. maby i got anyone inspired to make a musikvideo out of this effect. please post if do so.
  • One Less Pizza 1 year ago
    I was vimeo.com/15433819 - we shot the guitar numerous different ways doing a number of different things and got about 30 seconds of good stuff.
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  • sameer ketkar 2 years ago
    good one :D
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  • Eugenia Loli plus 2 years ago
    This video is full of ghosting. Please disable resampling when you slow-mo footage in order to avoid ghosting. Vegas can do that.
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  • Cezmi KARDAS plus 2 years ago
    wow good real effect
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  • ZachFine plus 2 years ago
    I bet someone less lazy than me could figure out the camera's shutter speed setting based on the frequency of the notes that look most static and some information on the scanning speed of the camera's CMOS sensor.
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  • Breezy Granzow 2 years ago
    wow.
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  • Mitch Koepp 2 years ago
    Very nice.
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  • Just-Pictures plus 2 years ago
    Nice, what did you use to place a nikon lens on ur canon?
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  • angela 2 years ago
    fantastic shot! also who is the bass player?
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  • MARGODESIGN plus 2 years ago
    AHAH! The worms are playing for us...
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  • Joe Clay 2 years ago
    For once CMOS scanning isn't annoying. You can get the same effect with a slit-scan technique. Still, it was pretty cool. Thanks!

    And by the way, it most definitely is due to the CMOS being scanned and doesn't have much to do with slow motion other than the strings being sharp because the shutter speed was quicker.
  • Will Hughes 2 years ago
    Sorry, it's nothing to do with CMOS scanning. You're seeing the actual waveform on the strings being caught in place every frame due to a very fast shutter time (1/1000th of a second, approximately). See my other comment above for more information.
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  • BanX 2 years ago
    Brilliant!
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  • Kieran Dennis 2 years ago
    It is definitely fascinating. Awesome stuff!
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  • Karl Keefer 2 years ago
    coolest footage i have ever seen. wow.
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  • Gabriela Aguirre 2 years ago
    this is awesome!! what's the name of the song?
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  • Iuri Bastos 2 years ago
    :)
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  • Nordin Rahhali 2 years ago
    super dope, nice work!
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  • PLEBIAN DESIGN 2 years ago
    this is rad footage.

    see also "slink" a sculpture installation by jeff lieberman that uses strobes and a vibrating spring to produce some pretty amazing stuff that you can view with the naked eye. bea.st/sight/slink/
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  • John Allen 2 years ago
    This is an optical illusion which occurred because this particular camera scans the image from top to bottom. That is, it is not taking a picture of the entire string at the same time but only taking a picture of a small horizontal slice of the image, moving from top to bottom. The string actually moves in a much smoother curve from end to end, as would be seen if taking its photo with a strobe light.
  • Will Hughes 2 years ago
    Sorry, it's not an optical illusion or due to a rolling shutter. You're seeing the actual waveform on the strings being caught in place every frame due to a very fast shutter time (1/1000th of a second, approximately). See my other comment above for more information.
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  • John Lockwood 2 years ago
    If it is a rolling shutter effect, why does the phenomenon appear to be happening to each string in turn as it is plucked instead of all of them at once. I'm not sure that rolling shutter, stop motion, or a combination of the two can explain why it happens just to recently plucked strings. Plucked strings must be coming much further from the neck than we think to produce this effect.
  • Will Hughes 2 years ago
    It's not a rolling shutter effect. What you're seeing is the actual waveform of the note being generated by that string. It's a low enough frequency to be caught by a camera with a fast shutter speed.
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  • wittler youth 2 years ago
    it looked like noodle soup to me pal..dont care how you did it..it was funney..like an old time cartoon..do you smoke pot?..i was waiting for cartoon cows to dance by doing the rumba.
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  • John Jovic 2 years ago
    Amazing. Just amazing.

    JJ
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  • Raquelita 2 years ago
    no effects??? for real?
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  • Fabiano Waewell 2 years ago
    it's amazing! I'm shocked!
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  • Sunny Thaper 2 years ago
    Nifty!
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  • Pikasus Tv plus 2 years ago
    Very cool
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  • Me & You Studio plus 2 years ago
    wibbbley wobbley lovely jubbely :)
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  • Gumar Fanya 2 years ago
    music!
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  • Kenichi Okada 2 years ago
    awesome.
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  • sorry, Will Hughes, but I'm with John Allen on this. To prove it, you can take still photos of bass strings with a electronic strobe, which will stop them absolutely dead in a true point-in-time "snapshot" of 1/100000 duration. You will never see the squiggly wormy shapes seen in this video. The second proof would come from simple physics of frequency and amplitude--a 38" long bass string that was actually oscillating on nodes 3 inches apart with an amplitude of 1/2 inch would sound at least 4 octaves higher than the open pitch of the string, and an output of nuclear weaponry. It doesn't happen that way! This is an illusion, although an extremely arty and cool one!!
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  • Jimmy Capp 1 year ago
    this is a great little edit... my question is, why buy an adapter to fit the nikon 1/8f on your 5D when you could use the canon version?
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  • urbanscreen plus 1 year ago
    if i would own a canon 50mm 1,8f, i would love to stick it on my 5D, but since i dont, i adapt the shit out of it!
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  • ROLLER ▼ MONKEY 1 year ago
    wow.. I didn't know it could look like that... pretty amazing.. nice
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  • Bram Kempynck 1 year ago
    great!
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  • Haritographer 1 year ago
    haha nikkor on a canon HELL YEAH!!
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  • My Thoughts 1 year ago
    I think the wobble effect has more to do with the way in which the shudder on the camera opens and closes than the frequency.
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  • Brunsworth 1 year ago
    It makes it look animated
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  • akmalismail 1 year ago
    cool!
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  • Martial Arts Nomad 1 year ago
    it has to do with the design and behavior of the digital shutter. Look into a 35mm Film Camera called an Aaton. It is useful for capturing things like water droplets and other high speed tricks.
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  • Martial Arts Nomad 1 year ago
    basically the canon digital shutter runs around the same hz as the string on the double bass.
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  • benson cheung 1 year ago
    I was wondering what kind of mic you used, the audio sounds pretty good on this, and i've been looking for one
  • urbanscreen plus 1 year ago
    Canon 5d build in Mic!
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  • ddrt 1 year ago
    Is this animated or is this just slowed down? haha Great job!
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  • Finally the rolling shutter does something useful! This is awesome.

    And come on people, this is obviously due to the rolling shutter. The image is scanned "slowly" from top to bottom, and as it moves down the string vibrates back and forth and is captured at different positions for each scanned line.

    The string doesn't actually bend like that, it's just an optical illusion cause by rolling shutter, like this one: youtube.com/watch?v=LVwmtwZLG88
  • Arnar Birgisson 1 year ago
    It has nothing to do with the rolling shutter, just the fast shutter speed freezing each frame and then the FPS harmonizing with the string vibrations.
  • Arnar Birgisson 1 year ago
    Sorry, pressed send too early.

    The strings are vibrating about 20-100 times slower than the shutter scan, so the image scan is not "slow" in relation.

    And the string *does* bend like that. A simple experiment with verify this: Try shooting it with the string horizontal in the frame (in which case the shutter is not rolling along the length of it). You will get the same effect.
  • francoe 8 months ago
    In first place I've thinked the same of you. But then, I've pressed pause, and voila!
    No one real string produce right angles or straight breaks.
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  • Arnar Birgisson 1 year ago
    I'd love to see this with a bowed instrument.

    And for the people that think this is caused by a rolling shutter: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroboscopic_effect
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  • Quzy 1 year ago
    I'm no video/photo expert, but this particular video seems to give it away: flickr.com/photos/_f/3768012394/
    At 0:09 where the strings are filmed diagonally, the waves are not symmetrical, and the frequency is not constant. A naturally vibrating string would have a symmetrical waveform and a constant frequency. So it's probably due to the rolling shutter.
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  • Luis Medrano 1 year ago
    I think we have a mixed case where both theories are correct. The "rolling shooter" theory applies and everyone seems to know how and why it happens. But the string frequency theory shouldn't be ruled out. The fundamental note of a string creates a single wave going from one end of the string to the other end. But the sound of a string is complex and composed of the fundamental note plus the harmonics, so the wave is not a simple one. Anyone who plays guitar or base or any string instrument knows how to pluck a note as to create harmonics. What is happening is that the fundamental note (the main wave) is muted and the harmonics are not. I don't know if you can actually capture that on video, but the waves are there. So in my opinion the effect is a combination of both theories.
    this link explains it better
    falstad.com/loadedstring/

    BTW, awesome effect!
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  • rolling shutter or not, either way it's damn cool!
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  • c1p0 plus 1 year ago
    well, this affect can be seen by your eyes as well, you just need a crt display for that. :) ( your eyes catch ~25 hz, the crt display vibrates at 60hz in the background, so when you play a string lets say E(329.69 Hz), you will see exactly the same :) try that out if you don't believe :)

    nice work btw!
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  • Matt D'Alessio plus 1 year ago
    Cool effect. I tried it myself. It's a fun little shooting exercise!
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  • Daniel Andrade 1 year ago
    Amazing
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  • Jeff Kart 11 months ago
    dictionary needed
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