This is the second part of an interview—conducted by Dr. Marc Applebaum on May 6th, 2012—discussing the Sufi “Way of Blame” and its resemblance to the original school of the Naqshbandiyya which was rooted in the school of the Khwajagan (“Masters”) of Khorasan and Central Asia. The interview features Robert Abdul Hayy Darr, the author of Spy of the Heart and a translator of Mahmud Shabistari’s The Garden of Mystery and Dr. Yannis Toussulis, author of Sufism and the Way of Blame (Camera work: Denise Zabalaga).

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