The Buddha asked, "Subhuti, what do you think? Has the Tathagata attained Anuttara-samyak-sambodhi? Has the Tathagata spoken any Dharma?"

Subhuti said, "As I understand what the Buddha has said, there is no concrete Dharma called Anuttara-samyak-sambodhi, and there is no concrete Dharma which the Tathagata has spoken. And why? The Dharmas spoken by the Tathagata cannot be grasped and cannot be spoken. They are neither Dharmas nor non-Dharmas."

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