Robi Damelin lost her son David to a Palestinian sniper. Ali Abu Awwad lost his older brother Yousef to an Israeli soldier. But, instead of clinging to traditional ideologies and turning their pain into more violence, they've decided to understand the other side — Israeli and Palestinian — by sharing their pain and their humanity.

They tell of a gathering network of survivors who share their grief, their stories of loved ones, and their ideas for lasting peace. They don't want to be right; they want to be honest.

Here is Krista Tippett's complete unedited interview with Robi and Ali during a restorative justice conference at Marquette University in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Produced by Trent Gilliss and Mitch Hanley