This is an excerpt from an interview of Senior Waking Down in Mutuality teacher, Ted Strauss, by Eduardo Sierra and Patricia Gagne. In this excerpt, Ted speaks about his embodied spiritual awakening (2nd Birth) experience as a result of his interactions with Waking Down in Mutuality founder, Saniel Bonder. Ted talks about his awareness that he had been running from pain and bodily discomforts his whole life - keeping him in his head and unavailable to others in his life.