The joy of independent software is that some of the most successful people also happen to be some of the most generous, friendly, and fascinating.

We feel lucky to have been invited in to Panic's headquarters to interview founders Cabel Sasser and Steven Frank. We loved what they had to say about shipping, building a business, being a team, and leadership.

Just like their products, these two guys have immense character--in both senses of the word.

Thanks so much, Cabel and Steven!

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