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A tutorial using Final Cut Studio 2 on how to convert footage shot in 30p to perfect 24p... Used in the short Sofia's People
philipbloom.co.uk/films/35mm-films/sofias-people-canon-5d-mk2/

Thanks to Denver Riddle for his original workflow.

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Dillon C. Novak 2 years ago

i am using the Slo-Mo lip-sync technique with an upcoming music video. So this could be applied in the same way with 720 24p/n HVX footage, by taking the original over cranked 36FPS footage with the singer singing singing at the song sped up (36 fps: the song lasts 0.840x as long as normal; played at 119.05% speed), and when it is converted to 24FPS the sync should match up with the original song. Right?

I am using the song lengths provided by Barry Green in this post on DVXuser

dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=891871&postcount=5

Very complicated question. sorry, but i figure you are a wiz at these kind of things!

Thanks phillip
Philip Bloom 2 years ago

i am sorry. am far from a wiz at these things...
Dillon C. Novak 2 years ago

I just tried it and it did work! But that was 60i with my xh-a1, now just to try it with the HVX.

thanks for this video!
Chris Newman 2 years ago

You should NOT need to convert anything if you are using Barry Greens calculations with the HVX. I've used them before and it worked perfectly. vimeo.com/993677. After you film it overcranked to the artist singing faster then just sync up the footage and audio track and you should be good to go. I'd do some tests first on your own.
marzio mirabella 2 years ago

Thanks!
Stoner Ace 2 years ago

Is there any way we could compare the current 24p version, of the video used in your tutorial, with the old 30p one. I would love to see the difference...

Cheers!
DSLRcinema 2 years ago

Thanks for posting this Philip! Until I saw details of what was actually going on, I had not yet satisfactorily converted 30p to 24p. Hands on is great!
Philip Bloom 2 years ago

anytime Tracey
1shot-MishaTW 2 years ago

What about Windows? how can we to convert the fps?

thx Philip, i like u art's
Philip Bloom 2 years ago

sorry am a mac man!
Felipe Tavares 2 years ago

I was wondering about that too. I just bought me a Canon 5D Mark II, but I use a laptop with Windows operational system. What program could I use for editing video on Windows? And, concerning color correction, can I use Magic Bullet Looks on Windows?
Dominique Julian 2 years ago

Hello,
this method is ok for transform the 30P to 25P ?

I'm interested by the DSLR but I'm also mix with my XH A1 (25P)...

;)
Philip Bloom 2 years ago

yep, just change to 25p in cinema tools
Berkay Ferah 2 years ago

why we didnt choose 24p? and always choose 23.98
Philip Bloom 2 years ago

24p is for film out. 23.98 is for NTSC
Garrett Wesley Gibbons 2 years ago

23.98 is what syncs with NTSC drop frame audio - it's like using 29.97 instead of 30p
Dillon C. Novak 2 years ago

can you give me some insight phillip on my first comment..?
Jeff Wood 2 years ago

Wow just in time, how did you know?
I just had a surprise when formatting my first pal dvd with 5d footage!!!!! Phil saves the day.
Dominique Julian 2 years ago

Hi,
Cinema tools is just on mac ?
I edit on adobe premiere, on PC, arg... !!!!
30p to 25p is only for the mac user's ;)

what is the équivalent on PC ?

thank you very much and congratulation for your work.
Jackson Miller 2 years ago

There are alternatives for PC's but I don't think philip knows them nor do I. Read/search/post on DVXuser.com in the mark D2 section. They'll be able to tell you the best option for pc guys.
eladbari 2 years ago

i wonder if the "interpret footage" in After Effects-is enough to do, instead of this whole long process... :\
Liam Mooney 1 year ago

After Effects will do the trick. Check out this tutorial by Andrew Kramer on Video CoPilot.
videocopilot.net/tutorials/frame_rate_converter/
Scott Morrison 2 years ago

Philip, i just discovered youre videos and am completely addicted, great stuff, thank you very much for posting these video. I was just wondering if you had any compressor tutorials or what settings you use, im very new to compressor and cant even come close to the quality of your videos at even triple the file size.
Philip Bloom 2 years ago

i don't use Compressor for my videos, i will do a quicktime tutorial though!
Scott Morrison 2 years ago

That would be greatly appreciated, because to get a video of that quality and length for only 146mb is awesome and i would love to know how to do it. thanks a ton.
Wayne Avanson 2 years ago

So how do you feel about the 5d2 versus the Gh1 now that the 5D2 Firmware update has arrived Phil?

Would you still rather have the GH1 in your bag?

Just wondering.

Avey
Philip Bloom 2 years ago

I love both, but the 5d is far superior but much pricier. I will own both...but given a choice, one or other price no object. the 5dmk2 it is
Camp Comet 2 years ago

Does this method introduce ghosting? I tried it with some footage, and two other methods. The best and most accurate was AE's Pixel Blend. The others had stuttering or ghosting going on.
Igor Vignjevic 2 years ago

This thing you can do in GV Edius 4.6 or 5 much easier. Simply in clip properties click 24fps and with Alt+E change duration to original. All works in real time and looks beter than in Final Cut. I use it all the time.
Michael Fletcher 2 years ago

Hi PB. I wash just watching your tutorial and taking it all in but I have a technical issue. Can you please explain to me the difference between really fast and pretty damn quick. I'm a bit confused. :) :)

Sorry to be a shit stirrer but I've had a few wines and it sounded funny. Good tute by the way.

Mike
And Art Design 2 years ago

Thank you Philip! One question on your "native" codec. Why ProRes instead of XDCAM EX? Just curious. Thanks!!
Garrett Wesley Gibbons 2 years ago

ProRes is pretty standard.
Gab Labelle 2 years ago

Nice job... two questions:

1) Can this workflow be applied to 60i footage?
2) Where in this workflow would you do your Magic Bullet Looks color grading?
alek 2 years ago

Thank you Philip!
What is the Initial settings for 30p ?
30p secuence settings original apple 422 proRes 29.97 ???? or 30p change this setting ?

please Philips sorry for my English, I am form Spain!!!
import/export 2 years ago

thanks, duder.
ariel26 2 years ago

ther is any good guid for final cut?
john markert 2 years ago

Why not just leave the piece at 30p?
Elan Feingold 2 years ago

Great tutorial, thanks Philip!
Florent Porta 2 years ago

Nice technic thanks !
Carmen O'Brien 2 years ago

Thank you. I am starting on my first video this week. I learned a lot.
Terence Beal 2 years ago

Thanks very much for the tips !
I was wondering if I'll get the Canon 5D Mark II because of the frame rate. Now I know it's not such a problem...
Until, maybe, someone create a firmware to record at a more convenient 25p/24p frame rate.
amiten panzera 2 years ago

cool thanks
Adrian Payne 2 years ago

Pro Res makes my 5D video darker...
Any Ideas?
nicolas2ct 2 years ago

hi philip,
just a little qustion ...
do you know a PL mount adapter for 5D markII ?
i am looking for one ... ;)
thanks
isaac Lane Koval 2 years ago

Thanks Philip! I just tried it on my 5D footage and it looks great.
Pierre Charriau 2 years ago

Hi Philipp,

what do you think that the method with After Effects ?
it's easier is not it?
but the result is probably worse ... ?
Philip Bloom 2 years ago

sorry for late reply. have very little after effects experience.
Somethin' Else 1 year ago

The AE interpolate function is great, but your clips will all end up being longer and your audio out of sync. It's basically the same as what he's doing here with Cinema Tools. You still have the same problem of getting it back to the right speed.
Garrett Wesley Gibbons 2 years ago

This video is a little slow-paced. The same content could be covered in a paragraph of text....

Does anyone know if this produces significantly better results than nesting the 30p sequence in a 23.98 sequence within FCP? I am skeptical that this method is worth the conversion step in Compressor....
Philip Bloom 2 years ago

it is actually covered in about 4 paragraphs of text by Denver Riddle. I turned it into Video so people could follow.

Only way to find out Garrett is to try!
Garrett Wesley Gibbons 2 years ago

Haha. Touche. I'm sure that a lot of people appreciate your tutorial. I'll do the great 10-up 24p conversion test, comparing the results with pixel-peeping methods.... someday. Meanwhile, the 7D is quite nice.
Paul Higham 2 years ago

This is a smashing tutorial Phil, it does exactly what it says on the tin and is really accessible to those of us a little wet behind the ears in terms of handling 5d2 footage. Thanks man.
BFIS 2 years ago

Taking the time to translate this process into vid is what my Pop meant by leaving the world a little better than you found it. You towed the line and, clearly, I'm not the only one who noticed. Cheers.
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Oli Kember 2 years ago

This is really just the perfect tutorial for the thousands of us out there who, until the now announced but as yet undated firmware release, are looking for the best ways to convert 30p to 25p etc.

One quick question for you, why do you not use Pro Res 422 (HQ)? Is the (HQ) version simply not necessary?

Many thanks.
Benjamin Buettner 2 years ago

i tried this method a thousand times, doesn't work at all.
its all ok till changing the duration in compressor. just put the preset setting onto my clip, change the duration and click "submit".
But my final clip is just as long as my original 24p file created in cinema tools.
any ideas what i'm doing wrong?
Somethin' Else 1 year ago

Make sure you are clicking on the setting that is actually on the clip (not the one in the presets bin). I did that the first time.
Nick Layton 2 years ago

Thank you for taking the time over this. Really really appreciated. However, there's something that's bugging me. I've just uploaded mpg streamclip and when you start the conversion process, you're offered the chance to alter the frame rate right with the absolutely enormous files that streamclip generates. As there are points where syncing to music becomes a must at various points in the video, I just thought it would be better to do this right at the start of the conversion? Or do you not like the quality that comes from streamclip?
Claudio A.G.Monteiro Filho, M.D. 2 years ago

we just love your video from down here SOUTH AMERICA, in braSIL...
Somethin' Else 1 year ago

Thanks for the tip. It's the closest I've come to finding a fix, but found that if you have something passing close to the lens, it blur's the image big style. Does get rid of the jitter though! Any more tips please let me know
Benjamin Buettner 1 year ago

no more tips needed.
firmware update is coming in 6 days :)
Elzine Aristide 1 year ago

Hello Phillip,

what do you think about setting the frame rate at 25 in the MPEG stream clip, when you are converting it to PRO RES?
El Camino de la Magia 1 year ago

This method is pretty useless if you want to use the original sound of the footage and with that, I mean with a proper dialog, people talking... and you should explain that, because that is the key part, original footage sound goes completely out of sync. What's so great about this you show if what you use is background music? The only way it works, as far as I know smoothly is with JES Deinterlace. The other method you explain in your other video in your website is also useless, converting to Quicktime ProRes 422LT at 25p does not solve the issue, since the footage does not run smoothly since the only thing quicktime does is drop 5 frames and you can see how the video jumps on play... so... do you have anything else? :)

thanks anyway... and keep on the good work
jhwphotography 1 year ago

What about 59.94 with some Cinema Tools footage what was slowed down to 29.97. Timeline is 59.94 and need a non-choppy output at 29.97.....can something like this be done or just let compressor do it's thing?
RockySmokey 1 year ago

Thank you
Sean Gallagher 1 year ago

Great tutorial, but it won't sync properly if you enter the timecode from the original 30p timeline. You have to drop the original audio track into the 24p timeline THEN enter the timecode from the 24p timeline into Compressor.
Maarten Kal 6 months ago

I experienced the same problem, thanks for the comment!
Andrew Daugherty 7 months ago

Is there frame blending in this? When converting 30p to 24p I've noticed that it is generally either choppy or you have to use frame blending which looks kind of weird. But technically isn't it impossible to get it perfectly smooth? Is it basically just throwing out every fifth frame or what? Thanks! Great video by the way.
Maarten Kal 6 months ago

Following this method,there is still some 'ghosting' in some movements. Is there a way to diminish that?
andi 6 months ago

how about shoot on 30fps.. edit and render it to 30fps.. and finally record on camcorder on 25fps.. did it solved the problem?
Taratilo 1 month ago

whats the different if we just convert it to 24 fps with compressor instead of using this long progress with mpeg streamclip n compressor? thanks