Initially a middle-school biology teacher, Steve Johnson went on to serve from 1972 until 1989 as the southwestern field representative for Defenders of Wildlife. In this 2003 interview, Johnson recalls how in he learned that federal grazing permits have monetary and political value beyond their ability to generate income from the production of cattle—a fact that has wide-ranging implications for how environmentalists can and must deal with the politics of public lands ranching. This video is an excerpt from a much longer interview with Johnson, the full transcript of which appears in the book WESTERN TURF WARS: THE POLITICS OF PUBLIC LANDS RANCHING (westernturfwars.com).

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