I don't think it's fair for vimeo staff to like and support a video posting that is prohibited according to the upload rules.

Bill, relax you are in a safe place

I like cheese.

"Only upload videos you create.
You may only upload videos you have created yourself or participated closely in the creation of.

Directors, DPs, editors, musicians, graphic effects artists, and actors may all upload work that they have contributed significantly to the creation of.

"I have permission" does not mean you created it. Public domain videos are also prohibited.

No TV, movies, trailers or other videos you find on the web. You may post videos of yourself on TV, as long as you have the rights to do so and the video is limited to your involvement in the program only."

Relax Bill.

I do believe that he [Bill] has a point,
but it was a bit over the top.

Bill has a legitimate argument and as a subscribing PLUS member of Vimeo.. deserves a legitimate answer from a staff member.

And a big congratulations to Josh A. for displaying a truly remarkable show of maturity and respect. The beers are on me, Josh!

Guidelines are always open for interpretation. I interpret them to mean do not upload tv shows and movies. Do not upload highlight reels like your favorite moments from Big Lebowski or Awesome Homeruns Vol. 4. Do not grab videos from YouTube and re-upload them here because you think they are awesome.

While there's nothing in the guidelines that say fair use is okay, there's nothing that says fair use isn't okay. It's a use your best judgment call. And I think the Vimeo staff and Wreck & Salvage are informed and educated enough in copyright and fair use to feel like our work is publishable here.

Check the help forums for other examples and people asking about what is allowed when it comes to tv and film footage. There are some solid examples and staff responses to them. I'd recommend posting there or contacting the staff directly if you want a response to this particular case.

We've been making and posting work here for over two years now. Remix videos make up a very, very, very small percentage of work posted here so I wouldn't worry about it taking over, whatever those concerns are. I'm glad people like us, Eclectic Method, and others producing creative work in this unique way are able to have a voice on Vimeo. That's what Vimeo is all about.

And I promise not to narc on you to the RIAA about using copyrighted music in your videos. ;)

Who is more talented? Someone who creates their images from scratch either digitally or physically, and lights the scene and obtains audio, working with methods of capturing moments while balancing conditions of nature and timing, or someone that edits together pieces of work that other people created from scratch? It was very hard for me to find purely original work on your profile. I think you guys belong on youtube.

The track from my music video was authorized by the rock band team for us to compete in the competition and post it online. The music in the other videos wasn't authorized in any way but it was credited. If I was told to remove the track, I could without a problem because my video work can stand alone. Those videos of mine were also not publicly supported by vimeo staff and that's the source of my main argument.

If they support your work, the rules should be modified. If they don't, it should be removed from staff picks and they should no longer publicly comment on how they enjoyed it nor should they support any of your videos in the future.

However, they did say, under Content Policy: "No videos that are just compilations of scenes from TV or movies." That doesn't seem open to interpretation to me...

I agree with you. "Found art" like editing a large pile of clips together in an interesting way takes no work at all. Look, I just made one while I typed this out!

hahah Bills my new best friend

Talk to the spoon Pile.

it's called fair use dude.

There is no mention of "fair use" in the upload rules.

It is a remix, a derivative work, that does not (even try to) compete with the original source.

Read Lessig's book Free culture.

Why would I read a book when I can read the rules posted here in a minute.

Yes, why would you want to LEARN something?

How to cheat broadcasters and filmmakers out of owning the rights to their own videos is not something I need to learn.

You should take a moment to learn about Fair Use. The term does not come from Vimeo, but from US copyright law. It's an attempt to balance copyright ownership with our 1st amendment right to free speech.

A bunch of copyright lawyers have been working on understanding and defining how Fair Use works with online video. If you don't want to read, watch their video about Fair Use. centerforsocialmedia.org/resources/publications/fair_use_in_online_video/

And for anyone interested in an in-depth look at copyright, fairuse, remix, and the mess of issues coming up, watch the feature documentary RIP: A Remix Manifesto at Hulu:
hulu.com/watch/88782/rip-a-remix-manifesto

Yeah I get it, "fair" use was found to be legal in some way but that doesn't mean it's not a form of cheating. They can use their first amendment right by actually MAKING a video of them parodying glenn beck. And even though it was decided in a lawyerly way, vimeo can still choose to not allow it in their private community.

Billmeo.

Haha, can't complain about that. Thanks for keeping it clean...

billmeo FUCK YEAH!

ummm..."fair" use does imply that it's not a form of cheating. Just because you don't want to learn about it or you don't agree with it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

So you don't agree with fair use? Fine, your choice. But you can't take your personal opinion and definitively assert that it cannot be posted under the Vimeo rules.

Why do you take it for granted that a news broadcast should be the property of the news network. THAT was "decided in a lawyerly way" as you put it, but you don't have a problem with that. Our society does not run on universal truths, but legal norms that attempt to balance interests. If you want society to enforce the rules that have been made up about copyright, you cannot pick and choose which ones you like. It's a package deal.

Laws give big business the rights to their broadcasts, and the same laws provide exceptions for fair use. Don't quote the law and then dismiss it.

Sweet.

'Mature' would mean not using the word 'gay' as an epithet.

Question. When did disagreeing with Glen Beck mean someone was jumping on the 'liberal political bandwagon'?

Reputable? Leader? What a poor choice of words.

If you like this video dosnt mean someone is "jumping the liberal band wagon" if there is such a wagon?....i haven't seen it. Its a person taking a critical look at what he obviously sees as unprofessional. critique is what this while site is all about, and freedom of speach also...if the staff like it they can add it.

"Reputable"? "Leader"? He's a gin-soaked, ADHD-addled college dropout whose never had a real job in his life. If winning a contest to be on the radio is all it takes to be reputable, this country is in worse shape than I imagined.

I hope to be mature and straight someday.

Please keep this discussion civil and respectful. Thank you.

Jen Proctor FTW.

That guy was from Chicago, and he wasn't hunted down, nor was he making a political statement. He was just playing with Photoshop. Flickr mistook it for a copyright violation and took it down.

Wreck and Salvage isn't staff, so you don't need to worry about supporting Wreck and Salvage by getting a plus account. FYI.

He works for Fox News. How can you 'expose the acts of many political leaders' when your executive Line Up and Contributors are said Political Leaders. Alike with people who claim to be cultured because they eat sushi, and have a gay friend .. Fox News claims to be a non biased news source because they hired the double quarter pounder with cheese meal of ignorance and 'controversy' .. and initially looking delicious and friendly, like a dub pounder with cheese, is in the end just the byproduct of a bunch of suit jockeys attempting to numb the minds of their consumers, except instead of food, they use my boy Glen. Word.

In trying to make sense of what you have said, I'm not in the mindset that Fox News is Allah if that is what you're saying... I simply like Glenn Beck and his message. Please read my next comment and you'll understand where my thoughts lie.

Vimeo is a liberal bastion. Eventually this place will look like YouTube.

Who are you to judge? Have you divulged into American history and came to fully understand how the US of A was built and the constitution for which it once stood? Unfortunately, my constitution has been crapped on for decades, and it is sickening to see and hear others not care about it. If people understood the constitution more thoroughly and the people actually voted for politicians who abide by it, then we would have a lot less problems than we have today. This is Glenn Beck's message and why he is a great person.

look I think you are straying from the point here, this is a free place and people can like what they like...if you don't like it that is fair enough .... don't "like" it or even come here at all...its up on the main page because some liked it...deal with that.

Apparently Mr Bixby thinks he's intelligent, but his grammar says otherwise.

Excellent point Benjamin!! I think its sorry that everyone is jumping on your because you disagree with the liberal mind set!

BB, I'm curious to know what books on history and constitutional interpretation you've read that would make you such an expert and others who disagree with you so hopelessly uninformed. I've noticed that professed conservatives often deem themselves to be well-versed in the history, content and interpretation of the Constitution and claim that those who disagree with them don't know what they're talking about or just don't understand it. This amounts to calling others stupid, and it's presumptuous, arrogant and insulting. Maybe those you claim don't care about the Constitution actually are fairly well-informed and merely disagree with your particular views on what the Constitution says or requires.

P.S. A suggestion: Consider brushing up a great deal on grammar and proper usage - no matter how good a point you make, people will discount it because it sounds so unintelligent. I won't go into specifics (there are many), other than to point out that divulge = to tell or to make known - I think "delved" may be the word you were looking for.

Interesting... you even admit that you don't watch him in his entirety... So you don't even truly understand the man and his message - yet you have a negative view of him. You, sir, are an intelligent man!

i do watch his show almost everyday, and i agree, this is pretty much all there is to see.

you're probably asking yourself, "why do you watch it everyday if you think its so stupid"

i ask myself the same question on a regular basis...

I say go for it! It's not the edit that's making Beck look like an idiot. It's what he says and how he says it.

It's gotta good beat... and you can dance to it. ; )

I'd invite you to do so. You might do a little read up on fair use to give you an idea of how to best approach your video. Add it to the Mix & Match Group when you are done. vimeo.com/groups/mix

Welcome to democracy (sarcasm).

Hmm... The owners of this account are not deleting comments. Someone said they were gone but then came back a few minutes later. I don't know.

wow...liberal much?

I made the background tracks in Soundtrack Pro. A lot of stock loops and sounds.

Thanks for the response. Do you have the score without the vocals? I'd appreciate it.

Nope.

That's alright. Good job on the video again. You should probably upload it to YouTube too, to get more viewers.

Because I started the project a few weeks ago and wanted to use current video.

Hard to say. Maybe down the road we'll visit this. CNN and MSNBC are cringe-worthy as well. Consuming large doses of any cable news channel is not advised.

so make one.

Because Keith is the man. Period

I can tell by the looks of you that you're one of those government-supported Commie artists. :)

hehe...well, I am Norwegian so I guess that makes me a Commie :)

I'm uploading the first five seasons of American Idol as we speak.

FAKE!!!




Sorry. I couldn't resist.

This is about as creative as it gets.

I respect your opinion completely, but I kindly disagree...

(I am happy the staff is active on their site btw, thanks)

What is "stuff like this"? Is there a distinction between me uploading this video and uploading the Matrix? Just curious.

the difference is you yourself just became a liberal moron...all you did was take clips of him and mash them around to make him look like an idiot..creative or something a 14 year old can do on his mac....?

You have too much anger to be Jedi. You're anti-Jedi.

Trevor.. they didn't make him look as an idiot. He already is.