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Peter Joseph's July 25th 2009 Zeitgeist Movement Lecture: London , UK
Entitled "Where are we now?"
thezeitgeistmovement.com
  • Angelos Alpha 2 years ago
    Cheers Peter. Amazing lecture
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  • Glad that this is finally up. :)
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  • Alexander Richter 2 years ago
    Brilliant speech, thanks a lot Peter!
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  • Ruth Smith 2 years ago
    So many times I felt a sense of utter hoplesness thinking there were not hope. I've watched how people are being manipulated, utterly abused and treated worse than an animal. Trying to do my bit, I joined groups and a religion organization thinking they were the answer. How frustrated I became when I finally realised they are also part of the problem. I can only ask to anyone who watch this video, PLEASE pass over the information, it is so critical. We must come out of this BIG FAKE society before it's too late!
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  • Ruth Smith 2 years ago
    Oh, I forgot, well done Peter, so young and yet so mature and smart. A true inspiration for all generations.
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  • Seventy4 2 years ago
    great lecture.
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  • exponentecero 2 years ago
    very thanks from upload !!
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  • Phaedra Zane 2 years ago
    Delivered with authority! A clear, concise, thought-provoking presentation that should be required viewing for anyone who wants to "be the change" they want to see in this world. Indeed - ought to be required viewing, stet. Well done Peter.
    (P.S. Also - earnest congratulations on the likelihood that Zeitgeist: The Movie, has probably (as of Aug 2009) been viewed by around 100 million worldwide, and as noted elsewhere, 10k views day for the equally excellent Addendum. It's just a pity that (so far at least) with only around 0.5% signing up to the movement (even so, an impressive number as it accelerates toward the half mill mark, admittedly!) there are still too many choosing to 'take the blue pill' ... no doubt this has to change, though!)
  • I would question the notion that his real name is James: zeitgeistmovie.com/q&a.htm
  • Phaedra Zane 2 years ago
    Accepted and corrected. Thx
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  • Brook Kiper 2 years ago
    At last!
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  • Evan McCarvill 2 years ago
    I can't seem to do anything with the Quicktime version. I don't suppose a .wmv version could be made available for download?

    It would make further distribution easier. :)
  • A HQ torrent would be nice!
  • Ray / Gman LTI 2 years ago
    If you're running Firefox, get the DownloadHelper extension. It'll allow you to grab an MP4 version that's about one quarter of the size of the MOV and playable in almost any media player.
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  • PabloG 2 years ago
    Hello, thanks a lot from Argentina. Your work, Peter... is just amazing.
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  • Bruce Markwell 2 years ago
    Awesome video!
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  • Brilliant. Well researched..incredible insights Thanks!
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  • FUTURE PLANET 2 years ago
    Great work to all involved let's do something about this now.
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  • Miron Cegiela 2 years ago
    Brilliant lecture! Thanks for all your great work Peter.
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  • Jos van der Veen 2 years ago
    Great lecture, Keep it up, Peter!
    You have my support and thanks!
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  • Mario Coss 2 years ago
    Great lecture! Thank you for posting this.
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  • LBionic 2 years ago
    Excellent work! I will do my best to spread this link.
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  • Sean Schexnayder 2 years ago
    Complacency breeds stagnancy. If everyone in the world becomes content with what he or she has, advancement will become sluggish if not stopped. I think this lecture is loaded with revolutionary ideas. I still think that there are some gaps that may need to be filled. Peter Joseph states that people serve humanity without monetary incentive and that is true. His examples are Einstein, Martin Luther King, and the average American. Their incentive is created from scarcity of a good or service. However, if there is no scarcity in the world, would advancement stop?

    His Egalitarian society that he exemplifies in the end of the lecture, the hunter and gatherer society, is stuck in the dark ages. We were only able to creep upon this new 'technosociety' that he advocates through incentive and advancement and not complacency. This is only one possible hole that I can see in my first viewing. Does anyone have a comment on this counter?
  • We don't espouse the view that there will be an absolute unimaginable abundance of goods to no limit. People will always be working to improve on this or that because of a lack (degree of scarcity) in one way or another.

    The society we have today is a result of the creative ingenuity of human beings, which occurs through many incentives- be it monetary gain, the desire to see improvement, et al,.

    I think a good example might be someone who has Ulcerative Colitis (as I personally do) becoming a doctor with the wish of improving the lives of people specifically with that disease. Their incentive is the cessation of suffering for others (likely along with other incentives).

    So there are so many incentives today, and there will be in the future - the important thing for society is to find the higher and more beneficial incentives.
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  • Sean Schexnayder 2 years ago
    Ok, that is a very good point. Just based off my own curiosity, how do you propose to allocate goods and services without a monetary medium to conduct transactions? I have heard of small groups around the world that come together to barter without the use of monetary notes because of one reason or another ie inflation or currency collapse. One example is the Argentina Barter Fair in 2002, where the participants brought their goods and services to exchange for a receipt with an objective value. These receipts were then traded for whatever good or service the owner needed. However, isn't this really the same as monetary exchange? Could a resource based economy distort the aggregate of society's view on the value system currently in place. Not that it isn't already dysfunctional, I concede.

    One thing is for sure, a life without exorbitant interest, greed, and dishonesty would be nice. How do you propose to reeducate the educators? The people that have created the establishment we currently reside may not be willing to change to an economic structure they are no longer masters of. A movement from the ground level could be interesting and when enough people change in direction, the world will change as well.

    Lastly... are we talking centralized or decentralized control? Communistic or laissez faire? I know these are absolute terms, but it helps to have parameters.
  • WurmD 2 years ago
    A Barter system, a Communistic system and a laissez faire system all use a "monetary economy", all use "price-tags", all lead to unequal stockpiling of goods and social stratification. Communism and Capitalism are the two extremes in a same scale of government control of the monetary economy, with socialism in the middle.

    What is advocated is "begone with the notion of property" and "full access to everyone to the stuff they need/want". This is better explained in the second part of this lecture series vimeo.com/7938805
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  • Westley Soto 2 years ago
    Great work Peter once again you've impress me =] I'm also trying hard to Give away Free addendum DVD so that people will Learn about this great movement
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  • has anyone seen money as debt II?
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  • Hardy S. Party 2 years ago
    How can one person possibly have such talent and wisdom at young age and simultaneously come across so relaxed and likable? You have to imagine that he was not schooled into this and came up with most of the insight himself! The word Genius comes to mind, certainly one of the greatest inspirations of this century full stop.
  • Xaphirezst 2 years ago
    seconded :)
  • mbass 1 year ago
    Great informal interview to the genius Peter Joseph:
    youtube.com/watch?v=CIINgQ1TooE
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  • ZEITGEIST GUY 2 years ago
    THANKS SOOOOO MUCH PETER JOSEPH PLEASE, PLEASE DONT GIVE UP, KEEP WORKING!!!

    YOU ARE THE BEST!
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  • Wittzig 2 years ago
    Peter. Thank you very much for putting this up on the website, it is inspireing. very well spoken. i think this lecture is more inspireing in terms of change then any of your movies. its very clear and concise and to the point. well done well done. keep up the great work peter!
    yours truly,
    Ryan J Witt
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  • Steve Scott 2 years ago
    Thank you for the much needed fundamental wisdom that the Z movies have provided. I believe in this cause and want to be a part of the solution, however big or small my part may be. We advocate the Venus Project on our website, and I bring up the message whenever I can integrate it in a conversation, or plain just have an opportunity to convey the information. If there is anything else we can do please let us know.
    You Rock!
    DOMESTICATED.US
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  • Luis Rivera 2 years ago
    great job!
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  • Jan Sebin 2 years ago
    Excellent speech! Bravo!
    Finally something that makes sense.
    Thanks a lot Peter!
    I hope we will get a many more speeches like this.
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  • Tim Hjersted 2 years ago
    Would love it if someone could upload this video (in full) to You Tube as well. Pretty much all Vimeo videos are choppy both visually and acoustically. There are little clipping sounds that make the video pretty much unplayable (and I have a broad band connection). Would be much appreciated! (I'm sure the video will reach a wider audience this way too.)
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  • Hyper Nation 2 years ago
    I was at this - it kicked serious ass. Fascinating movement.
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  • Sab J 2 years ago
    What an excellent refresher to both Zeitgeist movies. And due to my majoring in psychology, I appreciate you having revisited psychology and sociology's crucial role in the possibility of overriding this dilemma.
    The showing of Q&A would've been equally granted, I'm sure ;)
  • Missy Blazier 1 year ago
    Agreed. I majored in sociology and psychology as well, and I had an epiphany while pouring over my many behavioral books for more info. and refreshing myself with the theories after viewing all I could on the movement. LOL! I'm embarrased that I didn't connect and synthesize the info myself in regard to the connection of what's wrong with our social and economic systems. I was doing independent research, recording my research and brainstorming, but wasn't close.

    Epiphany is putting it mildly after reading all of P.J.'s posts concerning sociology and psychology on the Z site....

    He's phenomenal and inspiring!
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  • Guneet Narula 2 years ago
    amazing!! this is what most of us zeitgeist supporters needed to further propogate the movement. Its very hard for most of the people I talk to, to imagine a world without money and a time where one only works for quality.. this should give them something to chew on!! great insights
  • Don't introduce it initially as a world without money. ;) You need to address the root problems first, remember that we weren't exposed to it as a "world without money" from the outset.

    That's at least one hour into Addendum before we even begin to consider that.
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  • Guneet Narula 2 years ago
    Yes quite true. It is absurd to begin with describing a society without money.. Just the way I accepted this idea after understanding the current scenario with all its problems and crisis, others would too. But strangely, most people just leave it at "Society wont have incentive, or nothing to work for" or even "I dont think anything can be done about it now" .. From there own one needs a lot patience to put across the point in its entirity. Its working, but slowly.
  • It doesn't necesarily matter if you don't CONVINCE each individual of the validity of our proposals at this time, even if they just know about them - that's a big step. :)
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  • nathanielparty 2 years ago
    Peter, you need to choose a mic and stick with it. I would seriously consider redoing the editing on this video.
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  • Simone Brunozzi 2 years ago
    Great presentation Peter.
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  • Frank Behrens 2 years ago
    Thanks for good communication.
    I absolutely love the 'enemy' being replaced by a friendly 'vision'. Many thanks again for broadening my perspecitve.
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  • sharemind 2 years ago
    Great lecture!
    thanks for this
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  • Fernando Corona 2 years ago
    Beautiful presentation Peter, in form and content, loved the feral children analogy to our current mindset of aggressiveness, consumerism, competitiveness, etc.
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  • viaria 2 years ago
    thanks..
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  • Jade Keegan 2 years ago
    Ok, natural or not it seems that a few feel better overcoming and/or subjugating others. Do you think these cats are going to speak english? what is it up to? to death?
    I find no job, I owe a lot of rent maybe they're going to kick me out, I have no relation with my parents, I steal food, but this is no life, I'm about to hustle and I don't want, I'm an artist but if I want to live off it I gotta do something that sells and Zeitgheist doesn't, not yet...so WHAT THE FUCK CAN I DO?
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  • Jan Sebin 2 years ago
    To Jade Keegan:
    Start planting wheet, potatos and so on.
    In that case you might survive even without job.

    Anyway, when will appear the Peter's second lecture?
    It's been already few days since it and still nothing.
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  • I am waiting for a lecture/video about how the transition from monetary to resource based economy is planed to be made.

    Peter, know that you truly touched deeply with your Zeitgeist movies and this lecture. We need more people like you in the world, with the guts to go on public and say what you have to say to make a better world. Especially after all the 'terrors' that happen to the people that do not abide or are in the way of the corrupt system.
    Being strategic is extremely important. My fear is that the people in power, as has been for the last millennia, will try and perpetuate their subjugation even after the Venus project becomes a reality, as a matter of vice. Psychological perversion is one mean bastard. Hopefully you have a very smart solution for it.

    So, when can I start programming the AI for your machines? :)
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  • niki nina 2 years ago
    love to see that one of us is doing the job...thanks a lot peter and movement...love you bro...
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  • Joe Wagner 2 years ago
    This is just fantastic. the breadth of what you cover in such an intelligent, and organized way is remarkable. Well done.
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  • Joey van den Bosch 2 years ago
    Thank you Peter, you are an inspiration.. hopefully to many someday.
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  • Irina Grecu 2 years ago
    Wonderfully exceptional work! I have been following Zeitgeist for a couple of years. I have read/watched and spread the word about Jaque Fresco's work as well. I believe all Economics studies students should be aware of your movement!
    You have been able to put in clear, concise manner ideas that were all over the place. It all comes together for a better future, for the evolution of our species. People have to start thinking outside the conditioned box in order to be really free from suffering. Anytime I preached these ideas I was told: 'greed is human nature'.

    Thank you for proving it isn't and doing something about it!
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  • marc belanger 2 years ago
    This should be taught in schools at an early age(maybe get it in the home schooling curriculum, or alternate schools such as Montessori or Waldorf). That way the next generations would be ready, and understand the urgency for this new model of society!
    I admire your courage Peter, you have taken on a monster task, I am behind you 100% and will share this information to everyone I meet!
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  • You manged to bypass every other documentary i watched(Alex Jones, Michael and others), you went exactly to problem.

    I think i will open a new site soon to support this movement.

    Thank you
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  • matthew erwin 2 years ago
    direct, concise, to the point, bs free, eloquent, limpid, understandable for those who have "ears" to hear and
    most of all... truly FREE. this is a peak into the future of our race. either we take hold of the opportunity or we drown in our own device. we must wake up and take charge. this is the time...the time is now. live it, breath it, think it, do it, be it...everyday, every moment for the duration...thanks for posting.
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  • Christian Ravenier 2 years ago
    Amazing.

    The point is that it takes time for anyone to open up because that is really deep questioning.

    May you have the patience to keep on pushing long enough for more power to join you.

    I am helping in talking about this around me, but people are reluctant to take the time to question there view of the world. And the opposing forces are tremendously powerful.

    The only comment I have about what you are doing is that it is brilliant. Brilliant.
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  • Mike Dolme 2 years ago
    Great videos Peter! I enjoyed watching them! Thanks a lot!
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  • Goran Jordanov 2 years ago
    Great lecture! You sir are genius...Keep up the good work. I already joined the movement ;-)
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  • Mauricio Tanzi 2 years ago
    From Costa Rica with a lot of hope for the future... we can improve human life!
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  • Mili Badic 2 years ago
    Thank you, Jacques and Roxanne and all supporters! Greetings from Vienna/Austria
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  • Stark Raving Sane 2 years ago
    Since all that I love is free; my musical compositions, my affections, my patience, my self-esteem, my inability to be indoctrinated, and my ability to learn, it's perfectly natural to imagine a resource-based culture.
    Good lecture....when do we start?
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  • Sabrina Curzi 1 year ago
    As a step towards a resource-based economy, our company Domesticated.us is contributing our skills to create practical items for our society. We want to be able to help the transition out of the obsolete monetary system, and to one day provide our goods at no cost.

    We support the Zeitgeist Movement and the Venus Project! Happy ZDay 2010!

    DOMESTICATED.us
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  • JJ Pollack 1 year ago
    There is somthing to it - at least to parts of it.
    And parts of it, that are simply not true in my opinion.
    As some people have proven, freedom of choice do exist even in very extreme circumstances (vide: Victor Frankl), and saying that people are "doomed" because of their demographic and social (or whatever it was) conditions is simply not true.
    Of course the machinery of capitalism along with religion are hindering the human ambitons, but can not destroy it. Words "you're absolutely restricted, you have no freadom, because you're forced to do the work as it is" are utter and complete bullshit. The only real restriction on people are people. Using this guy's words: it's amazing to me how many times I get this argument with average John Doe... Truth is, most of the people on this globe, think exactly what this guy is saying here - you're restricted, you have no freedom, and it's going to be like that as long as the system is in place, which means realistically until the day you die. It's very refreshing that not everyone is sold on reactive thinking like this, and that humanity is proving it wrong time and time again. The truth is: you're not restricted by anything but your own mind. I work doing exactly what I want to do - I changed my life long time ago, dropped the job I didn't like, and started living my own life. Part of it is helping people. It's my choice, nobody else's
    We are at the time of unlimited access to information, and everyone can get any data he wants. The problem is distinguishing between true and false.

    That said, I do believe capitalism is "doomed" and it's going to decline in direct proportion to the cosciousness of "humanity". At the same time listening to what this guy says is rather depressing and discouraging for someone who really wants to change something in his life.
  • Aaron Williams 1 year ago
    Hi. A couple of things. First, you said, "And parts of it, that are simply not true in my opinion." I'd like to point out that that statement contradicts itself. You said that it is simply not true, but then said that it's your opinion. You can't state your opinion as empirical fact. If you disagree with certain things that he says, maybe you could state contradictory information or list contradictory sources of information (reliable, accurate, objective sources of course).

    I don't see how freedom of choice can be "proven," but it can be defined in various ways. And the ideas that some people are absolutely restricted & have no freedom are not "utter and complete bullshit" as you suggest. What would you say to the nearly 16,000 children who are going to die from hunger tomorrow? Would you say, "You’re not restricted by anything but you own mind," and tell them that their demographic and social conditions are irrelevant?

    It seems that there are different degrees of freedom of choice, dependent upon the socioeconomic conditions into which one is born. The 15,000+ children who die each day from hunger have virtually no freedom of choice or social mobility. It takes education, resources, and opportunity to be able to take charge of your own destiny. Think seriously about the environment that you were born into and raised in. I commend you for dropping the bad job, taking charge, and changing your own life, but those options aren't equally available to everyone. Furthermore, there are many who have even more social mobility than you do. I'm not defending laziness, inaction, or submission; but I believe that the "American Dream" is worth pursuing for maybe only 5-10% of the world's population. I'm not stating this as fact; it's my OPINION, based on the information available to me.

    And speaking of information – you also said that "We are at the time of unlimited access to information." If this was true, then everyone in the world would have high-speed, unrestricted internet access. Everyone would have equal access to schools and education, professors of Ivy League colleges, libraries, laboratories and other research facilities, tools, and whatever else may be necessary for gathering information. In fact, if everyone had unlimited access to information, then the US Congress and the American people could have studied the information that Bush supposedly used to justify war in Iraq. We could publicly discuss the tax evasion, offshore bank accounts, and money laundering of the big corporations. We could read and discuss the nearly 3,000 violations that Massey’s mine in Montcoal (the one that exploded earlier this week and killed 25 miners) has been cited with in the last 15 years. But unfortunately, this kind of information is highly restricted and inaccessible by almost anyone until it's too late. I've presented 3 examples; there are millions more. Of course, none of this would be an issue in a resource based economy.

    Sorry to ramble. I wasn't planning to write nearly this much. You just said so many things that I took issue with. I do agree with you, though, that it is depressing and discouraging; and I definitely agree that capitalism will ultimately fail, as every other money-based economy has and will. We need to move into a resource-based economy; and the sooner, the better.
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  • Jaylaca 1 year ago
    I have just been reviewing this lecture. I find it a concise, valuable & educational tool. Peter's use of language to explain complex social problems, in a manner easy to understand, allows for people to come away from this lecture with a new perspective on social values, belief structures, the environment and ramifications of a monetary system.

    I vote for the addition of these lectures to any education curriculum world wide.
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  • mbass 1 year ago
    Great informal interview to the genius Peter Joseph:
    youtube.com/watch?v=CIINgQ1TooE
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  • JJ Pollack 1 year ago
    @Aaron Williams
    I agree there are semantic loopholes in what I wrote, and I can't expect everyone to understand "what author meant". Mea culpa
    The part that is "simply not true" is the one I mentioned, and it's expressed in unfortunate sentence: "you're absolutely restricted, you have no freedom, because you're forced to do the work as it is".
    First the addressee is whole world's society, including me. I know it's not true, because I - for one - am not "absolutely restricted and forced to do work as it is". So this sentence is "simply not true" and I can easily defend it. As much as we can try to discuss the levels of restriction, there is only one understaning of the word "absolutely" and the way mr Joseph used it is plain wrong.
    Next thing is - mean culpa - my unfortunate use of words "unlimited access to information". I made the same mistake as mr Joseph.
    The information is not unlimited - for example there is no access to MI6 or CIA secret files. Plus of course war in Iraqu.

    But the nuances of the war in Iraq are not the most important ones for average Joe, to improve his life by changing the job for something he truly want's to do, have good, loving relationships with people, be healthy and happy etc. To the contrary - it's vastly unsignificant for solving his fundamental needs. Access to the information you mentioned is important for very narrow group of people. Plus there is a good chance that reliable information simply doesn't exist - it's blurred as too many people intermingle with the bits of it.

    So to make a long story short, what I meant by "unlimited access to information" meant access to the infromation needed to not be ""absolutely restricted, and have no freadom, because you're forced to do the work as it is".
    This is what I tried to say but my message got lost in translation and unfortunate use of words.

    This discussion is indirectly proving this access.

    And the last thing. You ask me for positive proofs. I want to point out that mr Josephs lecture is very superfical and lacks the proofs itself in most parts. He's mentioning facts witnout giving it's sources in many cases.
    That's why my reply was superficial and general.
    And don't get me wrong - he HAD to be this way, because otherwise whole discussion would get stuck - we'd be questioning sources, definitions etc.
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  • Nitro Mouse 1 year ago
    totally agee with Piter!
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  • David Follows 1 year ago
    b4 progress 2wrd green tech. can be realised the question of the Chinese rare earth mining irony MUST be transformed as their methods are more polluting than the end product will reduce harmful emissions.This and the sewing of the seeds of the project through education and,more importantly,BY EXAMPLE !!!
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  • shirley anthony 1 year ago
    I love the concept and I hope in my children,s and grand children,s life time this video will be an archived version of how we used to live.
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  • Journey To Infinity plus 8 months ago
    Great job! Keep up! Love it, really inspiring. I hope more and more people are waking up and realize that we def. do not live in a free world. It is an illusion well created by the "ONES" in power!
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