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29. Rolling Shutter compared: D90 vs 5D mark II vs GH1 vs 7D
2 months ago
ATTENTION: updated test, IDENTICAL PANNING SPEED, check here
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please check my blog for how this was shot
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  • Steven Sparrow 2 months ago
    What on earth is going on here. My 5Dmk2 is nowhere near as bad as this. What's your shutter speed??? 1/5????

    Why try and fault these cameras?
  • Mike Kobal plus 2 months ago
    shutter speed: 1/80 on all cameras. sorry you are disappointed. keep in mind the movement for the first part is very fast, the second half is slower, still,that's reality. no one is trying to fault these cameras. I was just curious how they perform in an extreme situation. of course one would not really do this in normal circumstances.
  • flokke 19 days ago
    great test!
    thanks!
    you kept me from selling my good old hvx!
  • Simon Packman plus 14 days ago
    i think it has more to do with focal length... If you have a fisheye it is nearly impossible to get a jello effect.... If you have a 200mm lens its gonna occur just from handheld. I've owned the 7D and GH1. Its a simple work around. I think they are all great cameras.
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  • Blackpeppers 2 months ago
    Very interesting. I think i'm gonna keep my camcorder as long as this rolling shutter won't be solved on DSLR. Thanks for this test.
  • Mike Kobal plus 2 months ago
    no problem
  • Philipp Sackl 2 months ago
    well I won't keep my camcorder, because it has a rolling shutter as well.
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  • ße ωell ;-) plus 2 months ago
    typo alert "please check my block for how this was shot "

    I guess that should be 'please check my blog for how this was shot'. Posting a link to your blog would be a good idea right now ;-)

    More people should do these comparisons, maybe then we can see the true range of these camera's!!! Worth a 'like' in my book ;-)
  • Mike Kobal plus 2 months ago
    thanks Be Well! lol, jaja, will do it right away...
  • ße ωell ;-) plus 2 months ago
    :-)
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  • Viktor 2 months ago
    D90 = blueh, 5DM2 = nice sharp detail, GH1 and 7D = absolute identical picture, bad details.
  • Ross plus 2 months ago
    We you looking at the same video as I was??

    IMO the GH1 looked poor by comparison than the other 3.
  • Viktor 2 months ago
    yes.. in small details
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  • Make Some Tea plus 2 months ago
    Good job, Mike. Thanks for sharing.
  • Mike Kobal plus 2 months ago
    no prob
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  • STONGE 2 months ago
    Thanks Mike!

    How would rate the 5D versus 7D in terms of sharpness?
    Is the preset sharpness lower by default on the 7D?
    Can both camera deliver equal sharpness?
    Got a 7D on preorder but that seems to be by biggest concern about the camera.
  • Mike Kobal plus 2 months ago
    did not test sharpness yet, the 7d looks sharper pixel per pixel in photos, dynamic range not as good and low light one stop less sensitive. video, it will be identical, maybe even sharper, just a little noisier when we get in high iso.
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  • Paul Martin 2 months ago
    Thanks for the test.

    Was the 7d shooting 30p?

    I wonder if the rolling shutter performance is any different between 24p and 30p modes on the 7d.
  • Mike Kobal plus 2 months ago
    yup, forgot to post it, its up now, 7D at 30p, d90 24p, 5d 30p and gh1 24p.
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  • Victor Engel plus 2 months ago
    I don't think anything useful can be easily gleaned from this test. It wasn't controlled well enough. Further, I don't believe all the cameras were shot at 1/80 second.

    I was going to gather stats of lean vs. motion blur, which would have given a useful rolling shutter comparison. However, there is virtually no motion blur in the Nikon D90 clip. It wasn't shot at 1/80 second but a much shorter shutter speed.

    An alternative would be to compare lean vs. motion between frames. The problem with that is that the video is 24 fps, and not all the cameras shoot at 24 fps (5D, for example), so consecutive frames in this assembly of clips does not represent consecutive frames in the original.
  • Mike Kobal plus 2 months ago
    you are right Victor, forgot to lock AE lock on Nikon, it probably jumped between 1/80 and 1/125 or higher, and I think I did not pan as fast as with the other cams, the test was by no means scientific, the pan speed was not controlled just shows they all exhibit rolling shutter, the practical part of the test is the second half of the clips where the panning speed was comparatively slow to the first half of the clips. posted frame rates: 5d, 30p, d90 24p, gh1 24p, 7d 30p.
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  • Robert Kirkpatrick 2 months ago
    I appreciate you taking the time to do these tests.
  • Mike Kobal plus 2 months ago
    no prob
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  • Mike Kobal plus 2 months ago
    7d is a tad better then 5d. the big surprise was how much rolling shutter the gh1 exhibits.
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  • Boreal Sky plus 2 months ago
    I've seen quite a few "rolling shutter" tests and they all involve wagging the camera back and forth on a tripod at arbitrary speeds/rates. IMHO the most conclusive test that can be done is to get in a car (have someone else do the driving) drive the same stretch of highway at the same speed for each camera. the sign posts would easily exhibit the varying degrees of rolling shutter and could easily be measurable.
  • Mike Kobal plus 2 months ago
    good suggestion. now i just have to get a car :O) (nyc people don't always have one)
  • Andrew Howe plus 2 months ago
    lol

    Wouldn't get to keep it very long either if you tried to "drive the same stretch of highway at the same speed for each camera" in Manhattan I guess.

    I suppose you could rig up something similar in principle if you had a glidetrack available.
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  • Brian C. Weed 2 months ago
    unfortunately, this really isn't a very good test, and only proves that all vdslr's suffer the same terrible rolling shutter problems when you shake them vigorously. None looked perceptively better than the other.

    I think I'll be making my next short film, titled "Mad Wagging on a Tripod," with a ccd video camera.
  • Mike Kobal plus 2 months ago
    whats not good about this test?
  • Brian C. Weed 2 months ago
    there's no way to measure the results, there is no quantifiable data. What was your focal length on the lenses used? Did you use the same EFV according to sensor size across each camera? How fast are your pans? How far away is the object your focused on? You do state in your blog that it's not scientific, and I appreciate the effort, but to me, this is more of a demonstration (rather than test) of the rolling shutter inherent in all cmos video chips.
  • Mike Kobal plus 2 months ago
    I might do a more controlled test in the future, still not scientific by any means but maybe a bit more conclusive. for now, what it comes down to is that all cmos cams exhibit jello effect. lets keep it slow and steady and things will stay straight.
  • Brian C. Weed 2 months ago
    Agreed! :)
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  • Pablo Cocito 2 months ago
    Wow i think I just threw up
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  • rick ash 2 months ago
    hi mike i asked u a question which do u like better the d90 or lumix gh1 and u said lumix, ( i do love ur video times square a nyc tourist moment), now i ask u your prefrence between the lumix gh1 and the canon eos 7d, by the way thanks for your comment on my music video dreaming
  • Mike Kobal plus 2 months ago
    hi rick. the 7D is the best dslr video cam right now.
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  • chingy-vang 2 months ago
    I like your test. But you're next test should consist of walking around while recording, and a few quick pan here and there to mimic daily use. Because that's what most people do, So it would be the most natural way to test rolling shutter because most people try to use it like a camcorder
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  • Chet Simmons 1 month ago
    Digging out my old ASC manual, it would be interesting to actually time the pan motion of a static scene--say a 90 degree sweep at various frame rates with various lens focal lengths. Say shooting at 24 fps with a 50mm lens the camera would take 23 seconds to pan 90 degrees and 80 seconds for a 150mm lens. (35mm film). I also noticed a stuttering of the image during slow er pans. I wasn't sure if that was because of the camera or the delivery system. Thanks for conducting the tests. They were insightful. Leaning buildings in N.Y. equal leaning palm trees in LV.
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  • Idsz 26 days ago
    how come the colors of the 5d are so warm?
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  • Eliasee 17 days ago
    thanks for the test. was a lot utility
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