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An infinite white background is more than hip and trendy. Clean, professional and flexible, the secret is in the lighting. And while framing the head and shoulders is easy, lighting a full-body shot is much more complex. This segment shows you how to Light Infinite White, on a finite budget and in a limited space.

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  • Matt 2 years ago
    Nice show Eric, production values are much better on this one, I like the 3D stuff. So do you give tours of your studio;)
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  • Videopia plus 2 years ago
    Yes, free tours, chicken wings, beer and Donkey Kong (real arcade version)!

    p.s., I whupped yer butt at Donkey Kong at videopia.org, by the way.
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  • Matt 2 years ago
    Look again, I believe we are tied, but I'll be number one soon enough:)
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  • Jose Fernandez 2 years ago
    Nice DEF... Very nice!
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  • Eric Hartmann 2 years ago
    Love it DEF...great job!!
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  • Shaun Roemich 2 years ago
    I wonder if my partner will allow me to convert our living room into an infinite white studio? She's been good so far but...

    Great work, DEF. Would have expected higher "quality" (read: PRICED) lights for the visual quality you've got here.
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  • Daniel Rivera 2 years ago
    Wonderful, Eric! Keep up the good work!
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  • Tall _ Tales 2 years ago
    Big thanks to Daniel's link post on DJ Forums.

    DEF, it was a great piece of work. I'm out hunting for the materials already. Thanks again for some great information!
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  • You know, this is a really awesomely made, very helpful tutorial. Thank you so much for it!
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  • DJ Paine plus 1 year ago
    awesome
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  • Videopia plus 1 year ago
    Thanks all!
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  • I like it! Nice work and I've sent the link to a bunch of friends that I keep telling that you don't need "pro" stuff to get nice results. Well done!
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  • Carson Kuehne 1 year ago
    Whoa! I think this is going to be perfect for a project I'm working on. Thank You.
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  • Dave Dugdale plus 1 year ago
    I think that is great that Eric is continuing on the tech know show in spirit on his site, so much so that i wrote a blog post about it with screen shoots of the differences between the DJTV and Videopia site.

    davecolorado.com/index.php/videopia/
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  • toogeza.com 1 year ago
    that's cool!
    spent the whole evening watching your video
    thanx a lot!
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  • Beeker 1 year ago
    The "but ugly" floor lamp put me over... WAY LIKE... and I am getting myself a new 2 car garage so for sure green screens are going to be fun.
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  • AVCHD User 1 year ago
    Great video! Very informative, now I can think about transforming my garage into an infinite white studio. The sound is a bit hollow, it seems that you need to get yourself some foam panels. Otherwise looks every bit as professional as TechNow episodes.

    Would be nice if you told about keying out white and whether it is harder than keying green.
  • Videopia plus 1 year ago
    Great observations, thanks!

    Yes, the audio in this segment is really hollow because I was shooting with a shotgun in a small enclosed space. In the evolution of the "studio," I worked on lighting first and then audio (which gets better in later segments - more treatment of the space like you recomend and swithed to cheap lav). I'm STILL struggling with the audio.

    And yes again: white is easier to key on simply because white fringes and imperfect keys are much more forgiving than trying to deal with green halos. Yes, I can do a perfect key in this setup, but it's a lot of work in post (like it ALWAYS is in any situation) and I just don't have the time or talent to do that and still finish a segment every other week.
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  • Tim Warneka 1 year ago
    Great job! I've been researching, reading and pestering my photographer brother to learn more about lighting. Your video pretty much sums up what I've learned.

    Thanks!
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  • gsmith 1 year ago
    It was good to see this segment before viewing 'The Light Idea' and seeing that little, if any, production value was lost between this set up and the one at the studio. It's reassuring to know that you can get high quality results without busting the budget!
  • Videopia plus 1 year ago
    Yea, there are differences, of course, but I think it's in degree and detail, and not content. "TechKnow" episodes also involved about 3x more manhours overall - there's definitely a professional polish that's missing in my homemade videos. On the other hand, the 720p video here on Vimeo looks better and loads faster than the Ultra quality vids at Digital Juice, so there's that.
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  • Anthony plus 1 year ago
    another awesome videopia installment.

    Thankyou
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  • Mike 1 year ago
    Hi, thanks for this tutorial it's been very useful. You've got the exact effect i"m trying to create.

    Can you advise on the keying process that should be used after you've got your shots? How perfect does the original picture have to be? Because you are trying to key white, I'm inclined to think that the shot, at least immediately around the subject needs to be perfect? I've tried this project using shop/work lights to light the background, but 5400k fluorescents on the subject. I'm left with some yellow spots on the background, where it's not properly over exposed. Using premiere, can you suggest the easiest way to key the background?

    I'm starting to think that I need to just ditch the halogen floodlights as I'm getting a nasty yellow fringe on my subject. I've had real difficulty in finding cheap clamp lights in the UK. I've not been able to find them for anywhere near $7, more like $30. If anyone from the UK can point me to a source, or even terms or brands I can search for, it would be a great help. So far I've been looking at "clamp lamps" and "clamp lights" on DIY sites, and I seee that reptile pet supply stores also stock them. Should I be looking elsewhere, or under different names?
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  • Mike 1 year ago
    Just a quick 2nd point. I've been comparing this and your latest videos. I assume with your subtler infitite white with a gradient shots on the newer videos, you've had to key out the background. Can you advise hwo the keying process is done with white, (as opposed to green/blue)? Many thanks again for the videos you've made. By far the best video tutorials I've seen :)
  • Videopia plus 1 year ago
    Good questions:
    First, it's all keyed. First video to last. Originally, the key was done simply to get the background perfectly white, but I got bored with that and added a gradient and then a gradient with a subtle virtual floor. Subtle, but I like it better.

    Second, it's actually easier to key white than green, but only because poor/quick keys result in a white fringe/halo and not a green one. So a white halo on a white background is almost invisible. You can see the edge if you look closely, esp. if there's something darker behind me. The latest video I did (the Casio review) actually uses very quick and dirty keying ('cause I didn't want to spend too much time on the project) and it's easier to see what I'm talking about. Also, check out my feet in that one: I forgot to turn on a light in front, which left a shadow on the floor!

    One caveat: This type of quick/dirty keying will NOT work for Hollywood-style effects, like Superman flying or what have you, because of the sloppy white halo. The trick is keying white to white. Sorta cheating, I suppose, but whatever works!

    Third: I'm not chromakeying, per se, but luma keying. Again, check out the Casio Review, about mid-way through I show some raw footage from the studio/garage from my Sony SR7. The back wall is insanely blown out and overexposed: That's the trick! If your camera has zebra stripes, it's really useful, since anything with stripes will key very easily.

    Finally, any light will work, as long as they all have the same color temp. The only reason I don't use halogens is that they are hot and miserable, and I'm already cranky enough while shooting. Large tube flourescent banks on the sides would be great too (ala, indymogul.com light bank tutorial).
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  • Mike 1 year ago
    Thanks for the reply.

    I'm happy to cheat... it's something I wholeheartedly encourage!

    After posting today I scoured my local city for some form of clamp lamp. Several stores later I found a shop with some "mini clip on spot lights" for £4 which is pretty near close to the $7 target. The one's I got look identical to these (in case any UK folk or struggling):
    choiceful.com/disprod.php?pId=1100

    The bad thing is that they don't have the reflectors. I imagine that reflectors are somewhat essential to this project, both in directing maximum light to blow out the backdrop, but also to prevent light escaping back towards the subject. I'm planning on using the cement in a bucket method as demonstrated on indymogul (thanks for the link) and make some bard doors to keep the light focused on the backdrop (unless there's any sneaky method of making 'almost free' reflectors?

    The next, and hopefully final issue I've got to consider is my light temp matching. I have a couple of 5400k studio lights which I plan to light the subject with. I've been researching 'bayonet b22' 23w CFL bulbs but haven't seen any that have 5400k colour temp. Only 6500k. I believe this 1100k temp difference is less than the difference between 5400k and my halogen flood lights (and as a percentage difference even less still.) Do you think the 6400k CFLs will be a good enough match for my 5400k studio lights? Or should I really hunt down (and probably pay more for) 5400k CFLs?

    Thanks for the direction towards lumakeying, I'll play with the feature with my test footage so far in preparation of getting the remaining gear together.

    Thanks again!
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  • Videopia plus 1 year ago
    I had real issues even finding the color temp on CFLs. They are roughly labelled "soft white" (matches tungsten) and "daylight" (bluish compared with tungsten). Most were in the blue range (5400-6500K). I went with 3100K I think (let's say 2800-3200K), which was a close match to the tungsten/halogen shop light that I can mix those. The blue "daylight" CFLs will look VERY blue even if you just turn one on next to an incandescent. However, if you went all 6500K, you'd be fine (after white balancing, of course).

    It's funny - they all seems white to me before I started doing video. Now I'm obsessed with all the bulbs in a room matching (e.g., 6500K "moonlight" in the bedroom, 3100K living room). Oh well, video nerds need to obsess over something.
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  • Kevin Terrell 1 year ago
    awesome thanks you!
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  • Mike 1 year ago
    After getting my CFL in the post and getting 10 of the clip lights I linked above I did my first test shoot today. Figured I'd post back here with my findings.

    I ended up getting 6500k CFLs to go with the 5400k main lights. They seem to match OK. I can't spot the difference myself.

    Taking inspiration from the indymogul site, I took two long painting poles, bashed them semi-flat with a hammer (to allow the clips to stay on) then plunged them into two buckets filled with concrete. When try that was plenty strong enough to support 5 lamps each.

    Since my clip lights don't have any reflectors I needed to keep the light on the backdrop and not escaping toward the camera. The decorators poles had slightly tapered ends. I cut a 12 inch x 2 inch strip of cardboard from a box, made a hole in one end and pressed it over the end of the pole. I then stuck a 8 foot length of kitchen foil to it, letting it hang down to the floor. The cardboard 'support' could then be adjusted like a single barn door.

    In Premiere I applied the luma key effect with a threshold of 3% and a cutoff of 7%. Seems to work pretty good. Now just got to film the project!

    Thanks again for the advice!
  • Videopia plus 1 year ago
    Sounds like it worked and yea, there's no need to be obsessive about the color temp, but you probably want to whitebalance on the 5400K keylight instead of the 6500K background (which will get keyed out anyhow).

    I still haven't solved the clamping part in a permanent way (mine are clamped and duct taped - which is not a very good solution). Ultimately, I'm thinking I could build a really nice grid for about $20-30 out of PVC and metal strapping... might be the next upgrade.
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  • very useful - thank's !
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  • llewellyn a. forde 11 months ago
    thanks, i'm doin it!!!
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  • Charlie Shread 9 months ago
    Aren't you a clever sausage.
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  • Six Fifty Blue 9 months ago
    great stuff, thanks!
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  • Michael Herzog plus 8 months ago
    Is there an alternative to the canvas dropcloth? I have a hard time finding it in german DIY stores. The stuff you put on the floor for paintworks (Malerabdeckvlies) here has a very dirty color mix of grey and violet.
  • Videopia plus 8 months ago
    I don't know - they should have a canvas dropcloth, I would think! I know I still have a canvas dropcloth that my first generation American great grandfather used, so it is a very common thing. I'm only using it for covering the floor so it doesn't get footprints. You can use anything instead, like a blanket, but the dropcloth was the cheapest, most durable thing I could find. I have carpeting over other parts of the floor (mostly for sound suppression).

    As far as the paint goes, I used cheap flat latex wall paint. It may have been smarter to use a garage floor paint, which may have resisted dirt and footprints better, but since I never walk on the floor unless I'm shooting (the dropcloth is always down), it's not a problem.
  • Michael Herzog plus 8 months ago
    After a little bit of more googling I also found Malervließ in white, I think that is the right kind of material. About 40€ for 50m².

    Another question - is the paneling really needed? Cloth should automatically make a round edge on the floor - or is this solution not stable enough without the paneling?

    I also plan to place the bottom part on carpet - my garage is really too small to act in it. I just have to figure out if I should try to apply the paint it in my bedroom. ;)
  • Videopia plus 8 months ago
    Oh, I see: yea, I'm not using the dropcloth at all during shooting.

    And, yes, cloth backdrops are definitely an option, especially if you don't have a dedicated (or semi-dedicated) space. Photography shops will have backdrop rolls that will work. 40€ for 50m² sounds like a good price - my local shop has high key white muslin (cotton) 10' x 16' rolls (~17m²) for US$60. (I've used paper rolls too, but they aren't much cheaper and are a lot less durable - not recommended.)
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  • Roby Davis 7 months ago
    Thanks for this one... I just got a new HD 24p camera so I can get that film look (j/k). I hope to construct this within the next few weeks.
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  • Glenn Perry plus 6 months ago
    Brilliant tutorial... I'm going to have a crack at this in our new studio this summer. Allready have some of the stuff lying around! Going to check out some more of your films now... thanks for the time and effort.
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  • Richard Gooderick plus 6 months ago
    I wish I'd seen this over a year ago when I was shooting this:
    vimeo.com/780735
    It's exactly what I was trying to do but it didn't work out quite how I had hoped. Now I can see why.
    BTW mine was a low-budget shoot. I did find a studio with an 'infinity curve' but couldn't afford it.
    Looks like I could have done it the way I wanted after all if I had seen this film!
  • Videopia plus 6 months ago
    Nice. I don't think your video is "hurt" at all by not having an infinite enviro - the content is great and the narration moves in and out of the music in a very natural way. Content is king and your video is very well done.
  • Richard Gooderick plus 6 months ago
    Thank you :-)
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  • Allan Woody 5 months ago
    Great segment. Would this set up work for blue screen or be too much light? Do you plan on doing a blue screen segment in the future?
  • Videopia plus 5 months ago
    You won't need quite as much with green/blue screen because you don't need to blow it out, but maybe 80% as much, so not much difference.

    I may do a segment on green, but I need to make a little money before my next video and, quite frankly, I'm not a fan of green screen + virtual sets. Too distracting if you don't get it perfect and I rarely have time/money to get it perfect. White is much more forgiving (when lumakeying over a light background).
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  • Dave Navarro 1 month ago
    Hmm, I take it you also want to be careful about not wearing white...?
  • Videopia plus 1 month ago
    Why yes, yes you do. And you gotta watch belt buckles and reflections on glasses and teeth and eyeballs, but, there are two tricks here: (1) the back is also blown out, so if you keep foreground whites properly exposed (but not overexposed), you can get away with a lot and (2) since this only works on white backgrounds, small bits of white on your subject are keyed through... to white! It's cheating, but it works.
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