The Venus Project London Lecture - October 2009 - Part 2 of 2
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Part 2 of the Venus Project event in London held in october 2009. This is the second of two videos and covers tne Question and Answer session after the lecture.
Thanks to the Eerie Investigations team for filming this:
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Thanks to the Eerie Investigations team for filming this:
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thevenusproject.com
thezeitgeistmovement.com
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Because, really, if they're true or not we cannot verify any such thing until there's an independent investigation into those attacks.
On top of that, it's much easier for us to reach the public with this information if we appeal to the common understanding of how certain historical events took place.
From your question I must assume that you have not read the Activist Orientation Guide which gives a summary of the "Admin" of such a system if you will.
Essentially it's not people that would administrate a cybernated system, but instead people would interact with the technological system as well as working within Interdisciplinary Teams of various fields (e.g., geology, sociology) to arrive at appropriate decisions instead of using opinions and subjective 'ideals'.
That's ofcourse just a quick summary, and you can find out more about it by reading about various technological fields.
Please see the 2009 Activist Orientation Guide: thezeitgeistmovement.com/The%20Zeitgeist%20Movement.pdf
Thanks for watching. :)
In a recent UK TV programme Jacque was asked about the governments involvement in the destruction of the twin towers in which he replied "i dont buy that" in this lecture he said "the arab world didn't have the weapons we had, so they took over airplanes and hit the two towers".
Im beginning to worry about where Venus Project and Zeitgeist Movement stands.
In one corner we are told by Peter Joseph that government is involved, in the other corner Jacques Fresco says "no the arabs did it" with such confusion and disagreement within the movement how are people suppose to make their minds up about the future and in which direction to proceed?
You must have read my mind! Firstly I had the same problem, but then I realised that the Movement or the Project are not "run" by them , but by us! As for what Mr. Fresco said about the Arabs, I am sure that anyone has the freedom to agree or disagree. So please don´t forget that they (Fresco, Joseph) have just an idea, but we can form and change the direction it goes at any time. The new system must comfort us all.
I believe that Mr. Fresco doesn´t share the same opinios on this matter as Peter Joseph.
Hope I could be of a little help!
Now, please stop lobbying political fanatism and start listening to the reason instead. Jacques is an expert in social engineering, NOT a pop idol who should be questioned about the truth in this or that twisted story. He is not even the icon of The Venus Project if you ask him in person, I would assume - because there are hundreds - if not thousands - working on it right now. Yes, he started it, and he has worked on it for a very long time now (hat's tipped), but the core idea of TVP is like GNU policies from the linux world: you cannot own an idea, you can only contribute to it.
That the Zeitgeist movies are in fact very evidential in nature and provides plenty of sources of information, and that it is hard to deny all of what is being said in those movies - that is a discussion for another thread.
Of-course the new system must comfort us all. And Of-course these individuals have their own ideas about such events and we too must contribute to make it ours.
But since the project and the movement are interlinked it just makes sense to agree on a few issues. 911 wasn't a tiny event in which people should easily disagree on, as a result of 911 USA and its allies declared war on Afghanistan and Iraq in which over a million people lost their life's and many more millions migrated their homelands.
To say that a bunch of arabs flew two commercial jets in to the towers and somehow managed to deactivate pentagons missile defence shields and hit the pentagon aswell is beyond my logic. And to hear Jacque openly admit on two occasions that he does not believe in governments involvement in these incidents makes me very uncomfortable.
I had every respect for the project and the movement till those statements. If they wish to get peoples support they too need to make their minds up.
Kind regards,
Hasan
Please don't mix up political fanatism with the future of social engineering through science.
In my opinion, you shouldn't take such offense to small issues. You might not consider 9/11 a small issue but it is in the larger scheme of things. If such a new society took place, it would eliminate such events from happening anyways. Both Peter and Jacque want to focus on a positive society that steers clear of politics and conspiracies. I'm not saying that 9/11 was a conspiracy, but some still consider it that and we aren't going to stumble on new facts any time soon with the case being locked down air tight. Whether you believe 9/11 was contrived or not, is pretty much irrelevant as far as the movement is concerned.
So be happy and don't fret so easily over small words. Life is short, so enjoy it will it lasts.
Reading the comments, I should say I agree with Hasan.
If the Zetgeist Movement is so into getting people to know the truth about how and why things happened, like the 9/11 catastrophe, to awake humanity's awareness then they should be more worried than everybody else about being consistent.
On the other side, this one goes for Hasan, dude I think this is something to make everybody remember (and as it should be always) that one should always keep a degree of skepticism and not just believe to anyone who agree with us or tell us what we want to hear.
Now, Jacque is an old timer, and I don't know what degree of importance he has on this movement so I wouldn't rush into throwing the whole thing to the trash can.
Personally I think this movement is very interesting, I will keep digging on it :)
my question: who will protect the Venus Project during the transition? I am afraid there will be enemies that won't commit to reasoning.
@Hasan: 9/11 hasn't been fully disclosed yet. Why should he tell you what to think about it? This issue in not at all relevant for the Venus Project for it would eliminate the likelihood of this happening at all. Either way.
(as for this lecture: he's just making a point of human creativity in overcoming obstacles. he could have said: well, the American people didn't want to go to war, so the government scared the shit out of them)
Gandhi did it. I can do it. Resist with non-violence. Defend your own life with all means necessary. Is it dangerous? Yes it is, but resigning is worse than the fear of death in my case. Just imagine if there were enough with that attitude. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. Eventually the corrupt systems will die and populations be absorbed, because The Venus Project cannot be stopped - and it is surpassed by nothing in existence.
There will not be enemies. Thinking in this terms is very dangerous and outdated. If someone doesn't understand or agree with the Venus Project it's our responsibility to explain it better. Once we start thinking of those people as "enemies" instead of "uninformed" or "not convinced" we perpetuate the old concepts. You fight enemies - we don't want to fight anyone, we want to educate. Sure there will be people who will try to protect the previous establishment, but it's our responsibility to explain to them why they're making a huge mistake. Sure they might, and probably will, not be easy to convince - the early conditioning, such as religion, or the misplaced feeling of importance given by high social status are not trivial to overcome. We are flipping everything people though they knew up side down, so people will actually try to protect the constructs of reality in their minds, their ways of defining themselves, not the establishment. We must understand and address that. And thus seeing them as enemies is the worst thing that can be done. We must understand that if people are not satisfied with what we propose that means our concepts are not designed, explained or introduced well enough. And that's difficult to understand unless you first get over the typical "good and bad" mentality.
That said, the uneducated and uninformed people will try to engage in direct actions against the change and the people who try to introduce the change. But the Venus Project must not have an army of any kind - that's outdated and stupid. We, as the members of the Movement, will protect ourselves. The second we create a Venus Project army, we become an establishment that needs to be protected - and that would mean no different than the mistakes of the past. But at the same time if someone walks up to you, pulls out a gun or a knife and says they'll kill you, because you're a member of the movement (or for any other reason for that matter), you will most likely have no time to educate that person. You will need to react here and now, most likely in a violent way.
In other words - no one will protect the Venus Project as a whole, but the members will protect themselves, their lives and health.
As for the 9/11 thing... Just like Robin said, there's not enough information to actually know what happened. On my scale of probability, given the information that I've gathered since 2001, the idea of false flag operation is higher than of the official version. But because the information on this subject is not fully available (actually there's a lot of misinformation), the data I have, the data that Peter Joseph has, and the data that Jacque has might differ. In the end the only thing that can be stated with a hundred percent certainty is that we all don't know. But all of us have their own scale of probability operated with possessed data. I guess in this case Jacque has just used that as an example, we don't even know if that's an actual expression of his view.
Still though, I don't think this is such an important matter. Actually from my point of view it doesn't really matter what was the case really. I do care about it, but whatever it was, it shows the flaws of the current society, one way or another. If it was the government, than it exposes the corruption and destructive nature of the monetary system, the free market, human governments and so on. If it was the religious fanatics, than it exposes the destructive and hateful results that the religious delusions can lead to. And if (I write this mainly to show how much we don't know) it was the US government first training the religious fanatics, than giving them equipment and funds, pissing them off on purpose (like they did with the Japanese before Pearl Harbor), letting them on the airplanes, looking the other way, and then washing hands clean - that would expose almost all of the flaws of the current society at once. But the truth is: we don't know.
Also, just like I have the right to disagree with Jacque or Peter on certain subjects based on my information (I'm not talking opinions here, just different data being available), they have the right to disagree with each other. The Venus Probject and the Zeitgeist Movement is not about assimilating minds, resistance is futile kinda thing. The 9/11 isn't a technical problem. It's a symptom of one of two technical problems (money or religion) or both of them at once. So let's focus on the problems, because talking about the symptoms (especially with very, very little actual information) is pointless and counterproductive.
Besides, there are many people who will not listen to reason, not because they can't understand it, but because they were simply brought up in a world that doesn't deal with it. It is not their fault, but they will throw a punch before you get the chance to explain your name.
Let me put it this way: If you and a bunch of your friends were to push a very, very big and heavy rock would it be more effective to push it together or to make a competition out of it and approach it one by one? I think it's obvious to everyone that it's the former that would be easier and more effective. However, to most people, conditioned to think that the world can only feature competition or monopoly, it's only obvious on that small scale, but in fact the world is no different than pushing a rock. You have various problems ahead of you and you have various ways of dealing with them - cooperation in always the most productive way. When you have something to design it's more productive to do a brain storm with a group of other people (ergo >1 mind and more knowledge) than to think about the problem on yourself (1 mind). And the examples go on.
At the same time, when you look at... car companies (just an example, it might be mobile phone, graphic cards, food, clothes, anything). Today on the market you have many, many models of cars in every segment. They all have their merits, yes, but that's what competition produces - useless multiplication. In every one of those models there are patented solutions that cannot be used by other companies in their cars. As a result, a lot of design and development work is wasted because the company X has to design it's own traction control system instead of using the one company Y already designed. And improving it, because they now have to do the work from the ground up, instead of starting from a working solution and working to make it better. As a result the overall state of traction control systems (or anything else) is far less advanced than it might have been if the designers from all those companies worked WITH each other instead of AGAINST each other. And that goes to the whole cars - they would be much better if they were designed in cooperation.
Additionally, while many people are convinced that money is related to the amount of resources it's actually not related to anything. As a result, the only thing you're interested in with money is... more money. More profit with less outcome. Thus you use materials with less durability (again, this has nothing to do with the actual amount of better materials available, just money) to cut costs, because otherwise you would not be able to compete on the market.
And obviously competition doesn't breed innovation. When you focus on competition you loose the actual goal from the sigh - betterment of the society. As a result you design, develop and introduce things that... nobody really needs, or you introduce better technology only when it's needed to keep you "competitive" and not when the society needs it. People see that as innovation, but it in fact isn't. For example, the hybrid cars - nobody really needs that (because gas engines are a thing of the past altogether), but it's a good way to keep people thinking we have advancements in technology (which we do, but the actual ones are not used) while keeping the status quo intact. I've also mentioned the "idea waste" before.
You have to also remember that in order for competition to exist there has to be scarcity. In a world of abundance competition would be impossible because there would be nothing to compete for. So competition is not only bad and counter productive - it's also pointless.
As I said, people are convinced that there can only be two possibilities: competition or monopoly. But there's third: Cooperation. Thing that people deem impossible to exist in the world on the global scale, and it in fact is so, when you consider the basis of the current society.
Still though, the biggest harm that competition does to all of us is making us live our lives AGAINST each other. Competition makes us abuse each other and there is nothing such as "healthy competition". No matter if it's sports or stock market, your competitor is your enemy. You might do your best not to think of them that way but the reality remains the same: When someone looses you gain. And that's the biggest realization - competition is in fact a cannibalistic act.
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BUT The Venus Project is not about control! People will understand that we need no Police, Army or Jails to control us! We can control ourselves, we will finally awake, cause we slept for too long!
In The Venus Project we all share Earth! Because nobody owns anything, at the same time it means that each person actually owns everything! Every person owns Earth, along with everything Earth has to offer! And every invention will make our lives better! Cause everything is free! Now, a person can't visit the French Riviera cause he ain't got money to afford a trip there. In the future there will be no money, so that person will need no money to visit a place on Earth! The Planet will be shared by all of us, together!
Here is a very small and instructive movie about Tesla, for those who want to know more:
youtube.com/watch?v=gt8Y93k0pB0
In my mind, I always put Jacque and Tesla in the same category of people! I love them both very much, they are great human beings!
Sperms do not compete, that's an anthropomorphism. They just happen to be a lot with the same goal, and it's the first one to get to the ovule.
Viruses do not compete within its own species. They are simply biological programs that replicate as long as their environment allows them to.
The so-called "White" cells will react to the presence of viruses, because they evolved that way in order to preserve the body which hosts them, but this is not competition, it is defense.
Competition occurs within a species when there is not enough ressources for everybody. Money creates fake scarcity. Once we address the needs of everybody, there is no need for competition, because there is no fight for survival anymore.
The monetary system is one of competition, and since we grow within it, we assimilate competition into our culture and then it translates in every aspect of our life, like sports, where an emulation of competition takes place, but with pride at stake instead of life. Culture is a set of memes that allows one to be accepted socially, which in itself is a quest for survival. If you are rejected by your social environment, you either put your life at risk by staying there, or take the risk to go elsewhere to find a more suitable social environment.
lets take the guy with the love for a wooden house for an example. He loves wooden houses, you tell him "its a death trap therefor we are abollishing them" he fights back and says "im not having any of it and im keeping mine"..what will you do? how will you police that? how willyou police anyone that doesnt agree with the new system for whatever reason?
I know the answer maybe..we wouldnt have to police because everybody will be happy, but for a time you will have to police it..for the transition time...people are unique in many ways so you will always come across people that dont agree, dont want a better world for whatever reason. What will you do here?
By the way im a 3d and visual fx artist if oyu need any help