
the ethics of stealing a bike
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the ethics of when it is and isn't ok to take a bike that isn't yours. it's never ok to take somebody's bike, it's always ok to take nobody's bike.
again; the fight at the beginning is not me, i don't know who it is. i don't care, i just think it's a good example of why not to take something that's not yours.
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the ethics of when it is and isn't ok to take a bike that isn't yours. it's never ok to take somebody's bike, it's always ok to take nobody's bike.
again; the fight at the beginning is not me, i don't know who it is. i don't care, i just think it's a good example of why not to take something that's not yours.
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but i don't think you explained well enough what made that last bike "nobody's". This is a really problematic idea, though I see what you're getting at. people leave bikes all over the place and they just sit there and rot when someone could be using them, or using the space to lock up. it's especially crazy on and near college campuses where all the rich kids don't care cuz daddy will buy them a new bike next year anyway.
but, here's the problem: who gets to make the call? who decides which bike is "nobody's", and for that matter who "nobody" is? and what if you're wrong? the whole thing reminds me of a lot of justifications for imperialism and colonization of "new" lands. Like the whole "Terra Nullius" concept which stated that if land was not being used "productively" by "civilized" people, then it was ok for the Europeans to take it. by force if necessary (which it usually was). But who gets to decide what is "civilized" or "productive"?
What are you doing with all these reclaimed/rescued bikes? it would be great if you were donating them to some cool bike collective that fixed them up and gave them to poor people, or better yet taught the poor people how to fix them themselves. or at least lend out the angle grinder to poor people. but you, i mean, if you can afford a video camera and a laptop to edit on and 2 angle grinders, etc etc, then you probably don't need to take that bike. in fact, you already have a bike, i noticed.
not trying to be overly critical, just bringing up some ethical complications to your ethical system...
Also, as much as it's a technicality, it's also fairly self-explanatory for any individual with an ethics system that doesn't intend to harm or rob anyone or further do anyone an injustice(, to notice that).
An unused, dilapidated bike that takes up space and rots and rusts into the ground after a very clearly sustained, outlined and determined period of time is doing no one any favours.
Furthermore, I think that at the end of the day, your comment coupled with the opinion/s offered within this video, prove that once again these sorts of decisions come down to what any given, particular individual believes personally and such decisions exist only in the unique, fleeting circumstances of any given, possible occasion in which they exist and would be best to be treated as such.
/crazy (but hopefully thought-provoking) jargon.
you're kind of just rehashing the point originally (but inadequately, IMHO) made by the video itself, and not really answering the concerns i brought up. also, the video purports to provide some general guidelines and yet you seem to be also be saying one can make no general rule and everything is up in the air and to be decided only in each unique case. seems contradictory and not very useful to me. why make the video at all then? just for laughs i guess.
Video would have been better if the owner of that bike came out and kicked your ass whilst you were stealing "nobodys" bike