BrownPolar

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Dear friends

We did a little experiment lately on our Vimeo channel. Although we have been very careful to avoid any nudity or sexual content since day one on Vimeo, we decided to upload some adult content to see if such videos get better attention.

They certainly did! By today, we have about 5000 views and a fair number of likes and comments on the three adult videos that we uploaded just a few days ago.

We have been on Vimeo since 2008 on and off. Because all our videos are recycled from exiting content as a policy (but always with permission from copyright holders), we never got much attention and very rarely anything more than 1000 views after a video had been on for several years.

There is always a reason why we upload a video here. They are either preliminary video storyboards for a series of musicals that we are now producing in collaboration with Film 4, or are to do with an issue that affects all of us, be it an environmental concern or a socio-political one. So, not getting enough attention to such videos has made us quite frustrated to say the least.

Now with this sudden popularity of the 3 adult videos we have, our serious videos also get a look in!

There is nothing at all with sex and nudity. In fact sex is the driving force that keeps this universe running, both at particle and subatomic levels and at organismic level. the celebration of human sexuality and the beauty of our bodies is therefore a valid and commendable artistic pursuit, and should not be a subject of scorn.

Having said that, I am wondering if we in the present era are sex obsessed and would do anything to satisfy that urge, or am I wrong?

John Cunningham

John Cunningham

I would say that YES we are now more than ever. Porn in my day was often found in a park bush or someones dad's collection but today its everywhere. I agree with your point about there is nothing wrong with sex or nudity however i do worry about the fact that its on the web for kids to see. I wonder if that's going to make a whole generation jaded about intimacy. The gloves are off now and it's on for young people, we can't go backwards from here, Music videos, Clothing for kids with sexual comments printed on them and un moitored video chat rooms where anyone can join.

BrownPolar

BrownPolar Plus

John and Paula, thank you very much for responding so eloquently to this topic. It is reassuring to see at least 2 out of millions think like us. To tell you the truth, I myself now have little or no faith in using the web as a respectful and effective medium for constructive social discourse; quite the opposite of its founding fathers' intentions. Vimeo for a good example has become a paradise for children looking for pornography. I just wonder what their parents are doing?

Decadence, sex and money rule everything in life now, not just in the industrialised world, but everywhere for that matter. There is no place for love and caring for one another in this individualistic, greedy and lusty quagmire. I have no illusions about the future, because our long suffering earth will be left in the hands of children who live on a daily diet of porn and consumerism. I sincerely hope that I would be long gone by then!

John Cunningham

John Cunningham

I think that we need some prospective on this very interesting conversation, its all sounding very slash you wrist time. I think that it's important that dispite what we see we have to aim for positivity. Its very easy as we age to just say life is getting worse and degrade into miserable cynicism but if you look at the grand scheme of things its not. We're not burning women because we think they are witches, slavery is ousted and our understanding of our world and who we are to each other is becoming greater. I'm sure that humans in centuries past use to have the same discussions of how life was getting worse I have trouble with what you said about TV as I can't really deny you point it's pretty spot on however I've had a wonderful, educating experience from TV.

John Cunningham

John Cunningham

My generation for example grew up on shows like knight rider and the A team. The A team was a notoriously violent show, the team solved there problems with guns but we turned out ok. I would say that there's a lot of negative rubbish that is very poisonous but people have to aim for more brainier stuff or be turn into a mindless consumer. TV is there and games are there and restricting mite lead to people rebelling. If we are told not to do something then there is always that humm I wonder why. This point can be applied to drugs as well, it's no good just telling kids drugs are bad because kids then learn adults lie.

John Cunningham

John Cunningham

We can talk about the greed and corruption of TV and the unjust wars or invasions of other counties and big corporate greed and TV's one sided journalism but isn't it because of TV that we know all this is going on? The fact that TV exposes this stuff shows that it's all still being revealed. I think the web is a more dangerous thing than TV with the very ironic name of social networking when it's not social at all. The fact that the young in most extreme cases have killed themselves over people writing hate comments on there Facebook page shows how damaging it is but the key in my opinion is to use the web as a tool rather than allow it to take over you life. Use it don't let it use you and consume you time, do this and like TV it can be amazing yet another incredible achievement of mankind. I'll refer you to the events 2011 with the Arab spring to see the positive side of the Internet anyway that's my thoughts great discussion by the way.

John Cunningham

John Cunningham

Again i can't really disagree with you on the whole rudeness thing but bear in mind that every generation thinks that the one after it are rude. The whole stabbing for a lighter thing is a whole different discussion one that is personal to me as my best friend was killed in a similar situation and i think that subject is far more complex so going back to the original point. When i joined Vimeo i was so happy that there was this site that seemed to be for the creative types, A site that didn't employ the same tactics a youtube but when i was showing my wife the site that has more credibility than most other site i turned on my apple TV then went to Vimeo to find my film and the first video in the ART section was a lady i kid you not masturbating. Even users when they upload there vids they will use sexy images in there thumnails. Whats the answer because when you look at countries that have suppressed porn you get the most extreme stuff out there.

John Cunningham

John Cunningham

I'm very interested in how the staff at Vimeo decide what is art and what is porn

BrownPolar

BrownPolar Plus

This is the most inspiring and satisfying conversation I have had with anyone in a long while, and thank you both for enlightening me. You have made me rethink my current and blatantly pessimistic approach to everything that is human, which unfortunately is based on what I see and hear everyday. What I have fundamentally realised from this conversation is that I cannot judge a whole society based on the activities of a few who shout the loudest and therefore are heard the most. The two of you alone are testament to the likely behaviour of millions more who would have the rationality to filter out the daily bombardment of sexual imagery from their mass media consumption, and therefore to protect their children too. Having said that, are there enough of such people out there to make a difference, or are they becoming a minority?

John Cunningham

John Cunningham

Problem i think to answer you question BrownPolar is that if we adopt that whole negative thing of we are all doomed then we ourselves will become the very people that we criticizes and speed up the collapse of decent society. I'm am very cynical but i try to balance it out. Gene Roddenbery creator of Star Trek said that Humans are amazing and if we learn to accept each other then there's nothing that we can't achieve. I do believe that, Shows like TOWIE and jersey shore will do there best to turn us into mindless self centered egomaniacs but we've just dropped a rover on Mars.

BrownPolar

BrownPolar Plus

I totally agree JC. Another example is 'The Big Bang Theory', which cleverly educates people and provides constructive social commentary, while being a popular series worldwide. Positives are all we have to go on with. I recently learned something Buddha said nearly 3000 years ago:

"All know the way, but few walk it"!

BrownPolar

BrownPolar Plus

Pornography invariably is demeaning, degrading and exploitative for woman. The line between artistic nudity and porn ['sexual nudity' as Vimeo defines the latter] unfortunately is quite subjective, making it very hard for Vimeo staff to filter out what may be deemed as 'inappropriate', not to talk about the difficulties in monitoring the massive influx of videos each day. In our experimentation with uploading 3 borderline porn videos, the staff removed two, noticing the massive number of hits they received in a very short time and then by checking them out. It is very hard to judge who these viewers are, but it is my belief that they are children under 18, whose parents do not know how to monitor the online behaviour of their kids, or don't really care! I totally agree with JC that children discover porn quite early in their adolescence, but grow out of it as they become adults. However, recent studies suggest that the children of the information age consume wast amounts .. [Contd]

BrownPolar

BrownPolar Plus

... of it every day. What I am concerned about is the psychological effects of this might have on the formation of their minds and the resulting behavioural approaches to sexual love in particular or to life as a whole in their adulthood. Would they see women as just sexual objects to be exploited or would they be able to form meaningful relationships between equals? Would they be contended with an ordinary woman or would they dream of porn [or super] stars? Sexual imagery also is closely connected to the marketing of products, resulting in greedy, consumerist behaviour as studies have shown. These are the reasons why I am quite pessimistic about the future, but I may happily be proven wrong by the posterity!

BrownPolar

BrownPolar Plus

Yes, that is exactly what I am concerned about Paula. And, we are not the only ones, because many a philosopher, scientist and artist have grappled with this for a long time, the recent films 'Shame' by Steve McQueen and 'A Dangerous Method' by David Cronenberg being excellent examples of contemporary attempts in addressing the issue. Greed and lust are insatiable by their very nature, and trying to indulge in those does not make anyone happy or contented in the long term. Instead, it will bring more misery and suffering. Love, respect and caring for one another constitute the only cure for our ailments, the eternal truth in being. Those who understand that, find a form of bliss that no amount of money can buy!

BrownPolar

BrownPolar Plus

I can't agree with you more Paula. As someone said in the past, ‘violence begets violence’ whether it is in real life or in one’s mind. Being accustomed to violence and cruelty causes a form of numbness in a mind, so that we become immune to all that killing going on our streets, 24 hours every single day. After a while, one feels nothing in the safety in their little cocoons! While children are more susceptible as you say, the present adult population is hardly any better.

John Cunningham

John Cunningham

Was the Ben and Jerry's Ref a coincidence as this week they a suing a porn company?

BrownPolar

BrownPolar Plus

Just to conclude this three-way discussion in a lighter note, here is a video on YouTube that might prove the point in a short time. I hope you would see the humour of it, despite the voyeuristic gluttony of the imagery and the pop soundtrack:

Sorry for dragging you to the less civilised of the two main video hosting competitors, but at the moment I can't upload anything to Vimeo!

Link: youtu.be/a8fkdyqoSh8?hd=1

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