Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

Got some feedback on our HTML5 player beta? Post it here.

Jack Zhang

Jack Zhang

I'm thinking not all videos will be viewable with this player. Older and Newer FLV based videos will still be played using Flash, right? (This has nothing to do with browsers)

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

That's correct, it will automatically fall back to using the Flash player for videos that won't work in the HTML5 player.

Northside Christian Church

Northside Christian Church Plus

I love it! I can't wait for an embeddable version. I hope you make it easy to include the flash version as a fall back in the embed code as well.

Andrew Pile

Andrew Pile Staff

We would definitely have a failover support.

John McHugh

John McHugh

Any chance .vp8 will be used instead of .h264 at some point, thanks for adding html5 by the way :)

Article19

Article19 Plus

nobody uses VP8, hell, nobody uses Ogg Theora but Mozilla won't stop flogging that dead horse!

gagarine

gagarine

Google made VP8 open source, naturally they will use it for youtube it's not really "nobody" hacks.mozilla.org/2010/05/firefox-youtube-and-webm/

Chrome + Firefox will support VP8 and IE9 will be compatible (needs a installation of the codec).

Safari with ~5% (and this counts the ipad >0.1%) is more of a "nobody" that will be only h264 compatible.

BTW Firefox can't use h264 for license problem is not a choice.

Andrew Muto

Andrew Muto Plus

Wow, it works so well!! Any way i can make the html5 player the default player experience on the site for my account?

Andrew Muto

Andrew Muto Plus

Oh goodness...i just realized it ALWAYS plays html5 now that i clicked over to that player!!! Fantastic! Thanks so much!

Sam Kao

Sam Kao

Tried Safari 4 and Chrome 4.0.249.49 on Snow Leopard, I can't see any video here with html5. However, same setup works for youtube html5. Whats going on?

Soxiam

Soxiam Staff

can you post some urls of the videos you tried and didn't play?

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

The HTML5 player is only available on individual video pages for now. Those three that you linked worked for me though.

Sam Kao

Sam Kao

Hopefully I am one of the few minority that can't get it to work...

KSS

KSS

what about an HTML 5 embedded player... I've got a ton of videos that use the embedded vimeo player on my site. Have another 30+ to upload next week. Built a nice faqs section on my site with video and Q&As but the embedded vimeo videos won't play on android or iphone. Thinking about migrating to youtube because I am tired of waiting for mobile support from vimeo. It make more sense for me to change my code now and take the youtube plunge... :-((((((((((

fczuardi

fczuardi Plus

Since converting old movies might be unfeasible. What about using Theora for new uploaded videos?

Or at least keep the Theora version as a choice when someone uploads videos in this format already.

Andrew Pile

Andrew Pile Staff

Not gonna happen until Flash supports Theora. The issue is not the volume of videos. Making multiple copies of videos at the same resolution is not the economical solution right now. We can play 100% of videos on 100% of PCs with the solution we have right now.

fczuardi

fczuardi Plus

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough in my first comment, here is the use-case I am talking about:

1 - user A is a Vimeo Plus member, which gives him the option to display the link to the uploaded video on the detail page.

2 - user A uploads a video encoded with Theora. Using the exact same resolution that the final displayed video.

3 - Vimeo converts it to h264 in order for both the flash player and the html5 tag (on browsers that have the support for this codec) to read it.

4 - Vimeo keeps the theora version too because the link on the page must give access to the theora uploaded video.

This all happens already today. So until now I haven't described anything new or not economical AFAIK.

Now here is the extra step I am requesting on this whishlist:

5- include an extra "source" html tag for the alternative ogv file (that exists already and is already hosted by vimeo) as an option to people that have opted-in for the html5 version of the detail page

I know it is an edge case, since a small number of people upload their videos in ogv at the final resolution today. But, if this small change from Vimeos end was made, at least people that have pro accounts would have a way to share their own videos with other Firefox users with no flash plugin installed.

Please consider that option with care :)

Thanks!

Andrew Pile

Andrew Pile Staff

Interesting idea, although in my experience people don't understand how to encode video that will play well on the web. Offering to just pass through files would likely create more issues than it solves. But hey this is just a beta, and it's cool we've opened the door to at least support Theora!

Andrew Pile

Andrew Pile Staff

Interesting idea, although in my experience people don't understand how to encode video that will play well on the web. Offering to just pass through files would likely create more issues than it solves. But hey this is just a beta, and it's cool we've opened the door to at least support Theora!

fczuardi

fczuardi Plus

Thanks!

And you are right, people don't understand how to encode video that will play well on the web. That's what tools and tutorials are for, if my suggestion was implemented I am sure there would be a "How to get your video working in html5 for Firefox users on Vimeo" tutorial on the very same day :) And a nicely packaged script to drag and drop files in the same week…

I am willing to do both as a contribution to the beta, if it is the case =)

fczuardi

fczuardi Plus

in fact, my last comment just gave me an idea for a great greasemonkey script or jetpack addon…

it should'nt be difficult for a user script to get the download video link URL(on videos that were uploaded in OGV) and replace the main player on the page with a html5 version of it for Firefox users :)

Voner Bille

Voner Bille

Isn't there a way to reencode a theora video so it plays better on the web? I mean, it seems like if you can take any .ogv that's uploaded and reencode it to h.264 so that it plays better on the web, isn't it also possible to just reencode the file to theora, but better compressed/?

Al Jigong Billings

Al Jigong Billings

The decision to not support non-h.264 video for the video tag based player is one of the reasons that I won't be paying for a plus account here.

We want an open web. It isn't that hard.

Andrew Hake

Andrew Hake Plus

I would really really love to see HTML5 as an option for embedding. Or maybe an embedding system that is smart enough to detect the browser being used and load a player based on that.

The more Flash I can remove from my day the happier I am.

galumay

galumay Plus

Why no fullscreen? It rather defeats the purpose in moving away from flash when it can only be viewed in such a small format. YouTube has no problem with HTML5 full screen so its not browser dependent as I have seen vimeo claiming.

fczuardi

fczuardi Plus

Firefox 3.6 does implement fullscreen, as fas as I understand it is up to the browser to include that option on their implementation of the HTML5 draft.

So I guess we will have to wait to Chrome and Safari to catch up on that…

(and when I say fullscreen I mean chromeless window fullscreen, which I assume is not what youtube does)

galumay

galumay Plus

Safari implements full screen too, as i said it works on YouTube with Safari. EDIT - I am wrong, it is less obvious whether or not the video is running in flash or HTML5 in YouTube. It also doesnt do full screen.

fczuardi

fczuardi Plus

I have just tested again youtube with html5 enabled in safari, and there is no fullscreen button, just a button to enlarge. To get fullscreen I had to click on the "watch this video in a new window" that launches a flash player.

An easy way of knowing if what you see is a flash player or not is to right click on it and look for "About Flash Player 10" in the context menu.

The video i tested was youtube.com/watch?v=OCv4c0uZoQ4

galumay

galumay Plus

Yes, you are quite correct - i had gone back and worked that out and edited my post to reflect my error.

Lets hope the next version of Safari resolves this, its annoying not to be able to view full screen, it detracts from the content and on smaller screens is problematic.

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

There are hooks in the rendering engine (Webkit) that Safari and Chrome use for going fullscreen, hopefully both browsers will support it soon.

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

Actually, if you use one of the Webkit nightlies, you can double click on the player and it will go into fullscreen!

luiz lopes

luiz lopes

I'm glad you guys decided to try this. I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 and Google Chrome 4.0.249 and all of the standard definition videos work great, I only have problems when watching HD videos. Great job guys.

Philipp

Philipp

I must admit, while I think it is a good idea to use the html5 tag instead of Adobe's Flash technology, I am absolutely sure that h264 is the wrong choice.
Not only are Chrome and Safari currently the only browsers which support that while Firefox is much more widespread and provides very good OGG Theora support, but there will also be hefty licencing costs for h264 after Dec 31.
I really hope that Vimeo will go the better way - which means choosing OGG Theora over yet another proprietary technology.
Right now, for example Dailymotion is using Theora ( openvideo.dailymotion.com ) and I think they are doing pretty well.

So I really hope very much that you will also offer OGG Theora in the near future.

Korosu Itai

Korosu Itai

I totally agree. I just hope Vimeo will offer Theora anytime soon.

Activist Canvas

Activist Canvas

I really wish that Vimeo decides to support an open web.

Director Douglas

Director Douglas Plus

Where is the button to switch over to the html5 player...? Can't seem to find it.

thanks Director Douglas

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

You must use either Safari or Chrome, Firefox will not work.

Ids

Ids

Any chance for a 1080p option for the 4-to-8-core+reasonably-diehard-videocardvolks here? Since Youtube has it, I think Vimeo shouldn't be runnin behind. I rather have my video's posted here than youtube

Charles Tashiro

Charles Tashiro Plus

Thanks for providing the new service and the link to the issues around HTML 5. Regarding the latter, does this mean after Dec. 31, 2010 vimeo will be charging us when we upload H.264 files? I'm a bit confused here.

Johan Larsson

Johan Larsson

Just an idea but wouldn't it be possible to encode the High Def-videos in ogg theora, that way all the major modern browsers could view those with the video tag, and then encode the lower resolution in h264 to ensure that mobile devices, and the likes, will be able to play them?

fczuardi

fczuardi Plus

that's a good suggestion, I second that

Paw Paw

Paw Paw

I just loaded the Google Chrome browser on my pc yesterday to check out the new HTML5 player. I noticed several things that don't work properly. The bottom 1 1/2 inches of the player screen shimmers all the time (playing HD videos). If I switch back to the Flash Player, none of my controls work anymore. Neither will clicking on the full screen icon. Is anyone else experiencing this?
Addition: I have been playing with this and found that I can make the Flash Player controls work if I do the following:
1. Click on the Full Screen Icon and then after the video begins to play, double click somewhere on the screen. This will place the video in full screen mode.
2. The only way the controls will work is in this Full Screen Mode. If you hit the Esc key and exit Full Screen Mode the player controls will not work, they will only work in the full screen mode if you switch between the HTML Player and the Flash Player.

Lauren Keegan

Lauren Keegan Plus

I'm having color issues with some of my videos.

The color on the flash player is perfect, looks like it does in FCP. The html player oversaturates the color in the frame. It looks not great.

Can someone check on this? vimeo.com/8664805

Ben Smithett

Ben Smithett

One more vote for OGG Theora support in Firefox.

That said, I do understand why it's not a huge priority at the moment. Like Andrew said, we can see 100% of videos on 100% of PCs right now (with the right combination of browsers and plugins) - why waste processing power for a few angstey Firefox users.

I just think going with a proprietary format is a dangerous road to be taking when a perfectly good open source format is available.

I don't want Webkit to be the next IE6, with core website features built around a particular browser... I actually think this could lead to a worse situation than IE6, since it's not just corporate intranets relying on browser-specific features, it's big sites that we all use.

There's a good article up here:
sitepoint.com/blogs/2010/01/25/the-dark-side-of-html-5-video/

I don't know much about Firefox add-ons, but is H.264 support something that could possibly be achieved with an plugin in the meantime?

Paul W. Rankin

Paul W. Rankin

May I ask what the likelihood is of a future HTML5 Hubnut, or something similar, for embedding collections of videos on external sites, sans Flash?

Soxiam

Soxiam Staff

i think it will be a bit tougher in widgets since there are more interface components, animations and other issues to resolve but we will keep that in mind.

Paw Paw

Paw Paw

Looks like the problem with the HTML5 player controls have been fixed. They work now! The problem with the bottom of the screen shimmering STILL REMAINS!!!. Whatever was done to fix the controls...Thanks! Everything looks great now except for the bottom of the screen shimmering.

Would someone from the STAFF please comment on this.

Thanks!

Jonathan Lang

Jonathan Lang

I would also add a request to enlarge the video like the Youtube HTML5 player does. There is high def video, so please make the quality visible!

Richard Wilkins

Richard Wilkins

.OGG encoding for the second biggest Web Browser... Firefox

Please

Al Jigong Billings

Al Jigong Billings

Not only is it "we can't," it is "we won't."

h.264 isn't free and all sorts of people may have to pay for licenses at some port.

(And I work on Firefox at Mozilla.)

cetv

cetv Plus

Hi,
I tried looking at some of my videos with the HTML5 player but they do not play the same way as some of the videos from others who have posted here. I am especially interested in being able to click on the progress bar and jump to a place on the video that has not loaded yet. I can do that with others with the new player, but not mine. Are there special parameters for uploads that will work with HTML5? Thank you.

andrew stutzman

andrew stutzman

can't seem to see the html5 elements with Safari 4.04. Any suggestions?

Tommy Penner

Tommy Penner PRO

I have a suggestion: I've noticed that despite a users download preference on a video, in HTML5 "mode" a video can still be downloaded by right-clicking and hitting Save As... I can imagine content owners being discouraged about this workaround.

Perhaps adding something to "turn off" HTML5 mode on certain videors, or turning off HTML5 for videos that have "do not allow downloading" enabled, until something enabling a little copy protection is rolled out.

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

That menu is actually unique to Chrome. The version that it's allowing you to save is the encoded version, not the original.

People have always been able to download the encoded versions, otherwise they wouldn't be able to play them.

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

Found a workaround so you don't get that menu!

François Côté

François Côté

I'm using Chrome 5.0 dev on OSX. I tested out your HTML5 player and noticed a bug when trying to leave a comment on a video.

It's seems impossible to put spaces in the comment box. Each stroke on the spacebar would instead Play/Pause the video above.

I thought i'd let you guys know in case you are not aware of this already. Keep up the good work !

tjaredfriend

tjaredfriend

I'm in Chrome 5.0.307.9 on OSX and spacebar doesn't Play/Pause the video. Thought I'd mention it.

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

We just released an update that does this!

You can also hit "f" to go into fullwindow mode, and "q" to exit out of it.

Paul W. Rankin

Paul W. Rankin

I've found that the HTML5 player appears to default to mini-mode, i.e. play button only, for a video with a wide aspect ratio. I tend to like the 2.35/2.40:1 ratio because I'm just that pretentious, but I'd kinda like to have player controls too for my pretentious widescreen videos. Can anything be done?

In a related note, it would be cool if Vimeo's layout one day resembled more how a cinema worked, with wider aspect ratios making for larger videos. I wish TVs worked like this.

godass

godass

Would you add Opera to the supported browser please?

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

Opera does not support the playback of h.264 video, it has been mentioned in multiple places.

godass

godass

Ow sorry. Just saw this topic, tried the feature, and didn't see Opera talked here. By the way good job! Html5 for the win ;)

Witold Baryluk

Witold Baryluk

"Opera does not support the playback of h.264 video, it has been mentioned in multiple places."

And I mentioned few times that H.264 works in Opera under Linux. So please learn how to use HTML5 video codec detection without relaying on userAgent strings. (You will also simplifiy life for pepole which have the same engine as webkit or chrome, but packed into another browser. I.e. Epiphany to name just one).

Thanks you.

julian

julian

Hello,

comparing my videos from html to flash, there is a significant difference in quality: html looks so much worse, especially if there is text in the video.
Why is that? Will it be equal soon?

Thanks!

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

Playing the video is entirely up to the browser when using HTML5, we have no control over it. Your videos look great in Safari for me.

julian

julian

hi,
thanks for the quick reply.
Then I guess it must be a
issue in chrome on mac.
bye

Peder Norrby

Peder Norrby PRO

Loving the HTML5 player! How did you manage to put "like" and "embed" buttons etc? That's cool.

The only thing I don't like about your HTLM5 player is fullscreen is not really fullscreen. I realize that is not your fault, but it makes me think Flash should be default and HTML5 used only if that fails (or by user preference).

And of course, embedding would ROCK.

I still feel the "like" icon should change more visibly after liking so I don't unlike things that I really like.

Soxiam

Soxiam Staff

Flash is the default player on vimeo. the flash/html5 player preference setting is sticky so if you change it, that's what the user will be using to watch videos on vimeo until they change it again.

we're looking into possibilities of HTML5 embed player. there are some challenges and there's a lot of work involved.

M G

M G

Hmm I wonder where to enable the HTML5 player ? why make the tryout so hard ? I'm using the latest chrome browser (beta 5) and there is still flash :/

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

There is a link to the bottom right of the video. The latest beta of Chrome introduces a serious bug with the player, though.

BodyMod

BodyMod Plus

Any new on embedded HTML5 player option?

Erwin Heiser

Erwin Heiser Plus

I'd like to see an embeddable html5 video player as well, I believe this is a must-have option for future compatibility.

SKL Inc.

SKL Inc.

Please bring embedded HTML5! We'd like to have our videos viewable on our website on mobile Safari.

oistylin

oistylin

I agree embedded HTML5 is a must, and while your at it overlay a dark transparency under the fullscreen html5, gets very busy with the website still fully visible around it.
Would be nice to if the video centered on the page with scale of as well.

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

The lack of a black background was a bug that should now be fixed.

We have no control over anything in the real fullscreen mode, so we're going to add a trigger soon to put it into full window mode if you want (so scaling is available).

Bram Alexander Andersen

Bram Alexander Andersen

Hey Vimoe what happened to the awesome fullscreen mode in safari? Was able to use yesterday and now it's back to silly full-window-mode?? Please please please bring it back

Update: Installed the Fullscreen Youtube extension to Safari, it messes with the Vimeo implementation. Even switching off extensions doesn't work. You have to disable the youtube extension entirely.

Update II: Ok, this is new territory :) The fullscreen extension works fine. You just have to let the Vimeo video buffer a bit before switching to fullscreen.

Get the youtube extension here:
cyberhq.nl/2010/06/08/restore-full-screen-playback-in-youtubes-html5-player.html

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

Real fullscreen will work in Safari 5 once you hit the play button, but not before that.

Christoph Sullivan

Christoph Sullivan

This is such a minor thing, but on fullscreen, I would love to see your vimeo looking buttons, like on flash fullscreen. I don't know if it's possible, but if so, it would be the most awesome. It only occured to me because I couldn't like the video fullscreen, but it was fullscreen, so whatevs.

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

Unfortunately it's not possible right now. If it is in the future, we will definitely put our buttons on there.

Saud Abdul Aziz

Saud Abdul Aziz Plus

“I'd like to see an embeddable html5 video player as well, I believe this is a must-have option for future compatibility.”

E01

E01

I've noticed something not working with the HTML 5 player, perhaps a possible bug.

If I'm logged in, my videos all work fine using both the Flash player and the HTML 5 player.

If I'm not logged in and browse to a private album, enter the album password and then try and play the videos, they work fine with the Flash player but not with the HTML 5 player. Trying to play the videos with the HTML 5 player generates this error message: "Sorry - There was a problem loading this video".

Rhys Day

Rhys Day Plus

I'll be playing a video in HTML 5 on Safari and the audio will cut out then a few seconds later the video stop... having heaps of other weird bugs also.

Bill Carroll

Bill Carroll

Really waiting for the HTML5 embed player. Any new info or eta?

zx

zx

Is there any way you would share your method of disallowing direct downloads of your files through HTML5? I am building my website based on and can't figure anything.

Soxiam

Soxiam Staff

what exactly do you mean when you say "video overview"?

Talentsuche Künstlerportal

Talentsuche Künstlerportal

What I meant was pretty much your "hubnut widget", sorry for the confusion. However german "Umlauts" are broken in the widget and I believe there is no way to change the secondary text color ("Watching..."/white)?

Winnie Slep

Winnie Slep

There is a nice feature on another video site where by adding the time place it becomes a link to the exact place in the video, playing from that point if clicked. Its very useful when describing something in a video, however unless in full screen mode I cannot see time codes on the videos.

e.g "I like the transition at 7:15, how do you do it?"

The time code "7:15" then becomes a link which takes you to 7:15mins into the video if clicked on, no code required.

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

Hi Winnie,

This is available if you add that to the description of a video or comment on the video on vimeo.com.

Winnie Slep

Winnie Slep

Really, I just tried it "0:59 test" and although the timecode was clickable it didn't do anything. I even tried logging out and back in again, several refreshes too. I thought maybe pressing play and then the time code, because it wasn't playing, would do the trick but nothing happened. I am using Safari Version 5.0.3 (6533.19.4).

Also, I can only tell the time from fullscreen mode, any another way?

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

Hmm might be a bug, I'll check it out, but keep in mind that for the Flash player it will have to load up to that point before you can click on the time link.

As for telling what point you're in a video, all you have to do is mouse over the video and the play bar will come up.

Winnie Slep

Winnie Slep

I am running a beta version of Flash, but the videos are in HTML5 right. I am using OS X 10.6.5 and the above version of Safari and the time code does not appear on hover, like you'd expect it to.

I think the necessity for the player to already have gone further than the time code is a big mistake. I've only ever used it once and that way allowed the 'cold' clicking of a time code link to zoom strait to the part, without the video being played or even having been started.

I think this way is better.

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

Unless you've specifically switched to the Flash player, yes it is the HTML player. Can you send me a screenshot of what it looks like when you hover over the player?

Here's how the scrubbing works: in the Flash player, you have to wait until that part has been loaded (they grey bar). In the HTML player, you can scrub to any point without having to wait for it to load.

Winnie Slep

Winnie Slep

Watching this video (vimeo.com/6391239) from its embedded location here: okay.nl/ actually shows the time above the play bar, but not when viewed on Vimeo. Also full screen doesn't work on this one.

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

That embed is using the Flash player, so the fullscreen issue might have to do with 10.2, we'll look into it.

Frank Baier

Frank Baier

Hello Vimeo Team, you are doing a great job !

Your HTML5 player works great ! I got no problems at Win7 and Mac OS X. Also the iPhone version of my video is working without any problems.

I'm also waiting for the HTML5 embed player.

Best Regards,
Frank

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

Hi Frank,

Thanks! We haven't officially announced it yet, but if you have the HTML player turned on, you'll get it in embeds that use the Universal Embed Code.

cederom

cederom

not working in opera :-(

Nathen Street

Nathen Street

Hi, I would like to see the HTML 5 player incorporate W3C
s ARIA tags and roles to make this player more accessible. It's not that hard.

For example the volume control would include: role="slider" aria-orientation="horizontal" aria-valuemin="0" aria-valuemax="{maxvolume}" aria-valuenow="{current value}"

All of this wrapped in a select tag etc etc.

cederom

cederom

If the H.264 is not the part of HTML5 standard and some browsers does not support it, please stream pure AV stream so end user can play it with any media player, like m.soundcloud.com did, vimeo then works on all platforms :-)

edy luca

edy luca

[on chrome] if you get a html5 embed code and then enter it on a page with nothing but the embed code, go to full-screen mode and then exit fullscreen, the video stays stretched on the whole page instead of coming back to the original size. very disturbing. this doesn't happen on vimeo.com tho.

Brad Dougherty

Brad Dougherty Staff

This is a bug with Chrome that we have filed a ticket for. For now, if you use the exit full screen button in our player it will exit full screen properly.

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