Forums / Technical Help / TUTORIAL: From miniDV to Vimeo in High Quality
- Known Issues 2
- Bugs 1647
- Feature Requests 1112
- Projects 398
- General Discussion 1291
- Technical Help 965
- Cameras 214
- API 102
This conversation is missing your voice. Take five seconds to join Vimeo or log in.
Please check the
Help page
for general FAQ, video tutorials, and other helpful information
Topic Browser
Technical Help 965
-
953. 960x720 source, upconverted, s...
1 day ago by Jason Gallagher
-
952. Streaming problems
1 day ago by Dana Francey
-
951. QuickTime encodage HD, a disas...
20 hours ago by Nicolas Chausson
-
950. problems with 720/60p footage
2 days ago by Ben Fenner
-
949. Choosing the thumbnail image
1 day ago by Kerry Garrison
-
948. Error open video on vimeo
1 day ago by cadeafesta.net
-
947. upload to HD channel??
2 days ago by janson williams
-
946. How to change order of videos ...
1 day ago by Anton Lee
-
945. Add videos from my videos to g...
2 days ago by Zakthedog
-
944. upload speed -slow
1 day ago by Roger Schutter
-
943. TUTORIAL: From miniDV to Vimeo...
6 months ago by Eugenia Loli-Queru
-
942. TUTORIALS: Vimeo HD exporting ...
7 months ago by Eugenia Loli-Queru
-
941. Embed Private video exclusivel...
26 days ago by ohal3000
-
940. Black Magic Intensity Card
2 days ago by HedsIc
-
939. Downloading
3 days ago by Phil Beard
-
938. Remove groups from profile?
3 days ago by Anders Bäckman
-
937. Followed tutorial, Got a flipb...
3 days ago by J C Roberts
-
936. video appears on my account bu...
4 days ago by Moving Brands
-
935. Problems downloading original ...
2 days ago by Muhammad Amir Ayub
-
934. Letter boxing problem
4 days ago by Nick Dentamaro
-
933. Help!!! (DVD Cam + Vimeo setti...
3 days ago by Joe
- Vimeo: About / Blog / Roadmap / Developers / Forums / Help! / Site Map
- Legal: © 2008 Connected Ventures, LLC. All rights reserved. / Terms & Conditions / Privacy Statement



.
Current
Top
Bottom
It seems that a number of Vimeo users are confused about aspect ratios and how to eliminate jaggies, so I put together this tutorial for you. With this guide, you will be able to export a clip from any miniDV camera in DVD high quality, that will get the "HD treatment" here on Vimeo, without your footage having to be HD. Here's a sample of the quality you will get from your miniDV PAL/NTSC non-HD camera if you export the right way for Vimeo: vimeo.com/411905
Please note however, that this "high quality" re-encoding for non-HD footage feature might disappear from Vimeo in the future (your existing videos should be unaffected if that's the case though). [[UPDATE: As of March 14 2008, this feature is removed by Vimeo -- bummer]]. Regardless, that's the correct way of exporting widescreen miniDV footage for the web/devices in full quality, so it's good to know anyway.
-- Method --
1. Make sure you set up your camera to shoot in widescreen. The "high quality" re-encoding at Vimeo is only possible for widescreen miniDV footage.
2. Import your footage to your PC with the video editor of your choice. You can now choose to either edit the footage, or just use a single unedited scene in which case go to step #3. If you choose to edit the footage first, make sure you export from your video editor in .avi DV widescreen interlaced mode, so quality loss remains minimal. Most video editors support exporting back to the same DV codec, and if not, use another intermediate lossless codec to export.
3. Download and install SUPER (it's a bit difficult to spot the actual download link on this guy's messy web page, but look around: erightsoft.com/SUPER.html ). Once loaded, right click on the SUPER window and select "Output File Saving Management" and instruct the application to export to a folder that you can find back easily (e.g. your Desktop).
4. Then, make everything look *exactly* like this (make sure that NOTHING is selected in the "Aspect" radio boxes):
eugenia.gnomefiles.org/images/super-dv.png
Then, drag'n'drop the .avi file on SUPER and then press "Encode".
4a. *IF* your camera is a PAL 16:9 camera, you can try exporting in 1280x720 at around 5000 kbps bitrate instead of the 880x480, ~3000kbps suggestions above. But that's only if you shot in widescreen PAL. Resizing to 720p an NTSC widescreen or a PAL/NTSC 4:3 signal is not a good idea.
5. That's it, after a while (depending on the speed of your PC), you will have an .mp4 file, ready to be uploaded to Vimeo. When it's up, it should have the "HD treatment" and look all fabulous.
-- Some important notes --
* This kind of export will create DVD-quality files that are playable as-is on the XBoX360 and Sony PS3! It should be playable on the AppleTV too, but I don't have one to test.
* If you are proficient in using your video editor's exporting dialogs with similar settings we used here, then there's no reason to use SUPER. However, most people can't do that, which why I wrote this tutorial, using a single utility for all cases. If you feel adventurous though, or if you are using a Mac, you can follow my other, HD, tutorials here vimeo.com/forums/topic:3671 and follow them exactly, except for 2-3 changes you will have to make to reflect your non-HD source footage: 880x480 size instead of 1280x720, 3 mbps instead of 5mbps of bitrate, and the right frame rate each time (29.97 for NTSC, 25 for PAL).
* I suggested the same exporting resolution (880x480) for both PAL and NTSC miniDV footage. In reality, widescreen PAL can go up to 1048x576, but that's quite some over-stretching over the original 720x576 recorded frame size and so a resize down to 880x480 can be beneficial in terms of quality (besides, you still get the "HD treatment").
* For those who are confused why we don't export at 720x480 (NTSC) or 720x576 (PAL), it's because in order to get widescreen in these resolutions, you have to set the "16:9 flag" in the internal format of these videos. Problem is, Vimeo and many other players usually don't respect these flags, and so your videos come out as 4:3. In order to go around this limitation, we export in aspect ratio 1.0000 (instead of 1.2121 for NTSC and 1.4568 for PAL), and so the 880x480 resolution is based on that aspect ratio. It's ok if you don't understand what I am talking about here, just trust the results.
* If you do not own a widescreen DV camera, in order to export with the right 4:3 aspect ratio you need to do the following: export at 768x576 for PAL, or at 656x480 for NTSC (at around 2500 mbps instead of 3024 shown in the SUPER screenshot). You won't get the HD treatment at these 4:3 resolutions, but these are the right aspect ratio 1.000 resolutions you should be exporting for web usage from 4:3 miniDV.
I have installed/uninstalled Super twice and still the same problem with WMA, any ideas? No problems with Cyberlink PowerDVD when Super is installed - strange!
Also thanks for your above advice about rendering video files for the vimeo "HD reatment"; for PAL 720x576 (16:9) mpeg-2's I use VirtualDubMod to resize to 880x480 and the Xvid 1.1.0 codec to compress to 3000 kbps together with Lame mp3. I have uploaded to vimeo a .avi test video, using these settings, and it looked good in .flv
All the best, 4Moorhens2.
So it seems that there was a pre-existing problem that only became apparent when I installed SUPER - maybe I've got too many codecs of one sort or another: GSpot indicates 292 with Super installed!
Many thanks for your help, 4Moorhens2.
i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/preciousliex3/untitled-2.jpg
deinterlace to progressive appears to be selected but did not actually deinterlace my video.
I'm still having problems with SUPER and WMP, i.e. playback of mpeg-2 files on WMP with Super installed, maybe the latest version of SUPER (Feb 5 2008) has a few bugs - could you possibly link me to an earlier version?
Its not a big deal, because I prefer VirtualDubMod, but Super can convert HD .flv files to other formats and that is very useful - VirtualDubMod doesn't support them and Prism, which converts non-HD .flv's, always says "no thanks!" after converting the first few megabytes of a HD .flv.
All the best, 4Moorhens2.
I only have mpeg-2/WMP problems when SUPER is installed,when I uninstall it everything is fine. But many thanks for taking the time to answer my questions, the quick responses and the info.
Cheers, 4Moorhens2.
I hope this is not an "isolated issue" as well - but thanks again for your advice on the 1048x576 HD thing - think I've found the cause of my WMP/mpeg-2/Super problem: the PICVIDEO V2 codec, a latent trouble maker exposed when opening mpeg-2's with Explorer on a machine with a dual core cpu which have been rendered on a machine with a single core cpu without DEP and possibly somehow also troublesome with SUPER installed.
All the best, 4Moorhens2.
i did it but the aspect was super stretched out, i did everything according to the tutorial. also it is very choppy, can you tell me why? i already have deinterlace on
vimeo.com/658827
thanks!
is the format? that i uploaded the vid from my gs65 to the comp
then its in avi then i drpped the file into the super and it gave me an mp4
yea i made sure everything is exactly the same.
why is it that the fps has to be set at 29.9? why not more? is it a vimeo thingy
i upgraded to vista today, got vegass pro 8 and i edited a little clip
i saved it as the "Video for Windows (*.avi)" and the template is NTSC DV
according to super, if it runs in wmp, it should be able to convert!
i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff274/kurtrawr/supererror.jpg
i get that error when i try to convert it
So I tried converting one of the scenes to 24 fps Xvid with VirtualDubMod (same frame size and bit rate) and on the resulting .flv movement is much smoother.
How do you think vimeo could improve the conversion to 24 fps .flv?
With VirtualDubMod - e.g. mpeg-2 25 fps to Xvid 24 fps conversions - if one uses "Source Rate Adjustment" then there are noticable dropped frames, but with "Frame Rate Conversion" subject movement is much smoother although keeping audio in sync can be a problem.
Is it a similar thing with your Flash converters, i.e. the choice of dropped frames or out of sync audio?
Also, in the past, I have downloaded 25 fps .flv's from other sites - perhaps in the future vimeo may be able to to maintain the uploaded video's frame rate: be it 25 29.97 30 etc.....
Cheers, 4Moorhens2
But we can usually download the original file in its true format and that is a vimeo plus!
I uploaded a movie exported from Adobe Premiere. Since it is a 16:9 instead of widing resolution I decided to lower height in order to have square pixel with smaller file size.
The problem is that I export video in 720x405 and Vimeo turns it to 720x406 which will put a black line at the bottom. If I try to export video from Premiere with that settings Premiere will put black lines. My 720x405 is clean...Why is vimeo messing my dimensions? thanks!
vimeo.com/719586
I've got the same problem as Luke, my deinterlace box is locked for some reason, resulting in my video being interlaced, resulting in jaggy edges.
So, is there going to be a fix for this?
I made a channel called BIG-SD just to see the difference of the upsized SD vs stretched standard.
vimeo.com/bigsd
I really needed to have the same clips, but still the stretched is terrible. It's like youtube on steroids.
Is it not possible for anybody who prefers 4:3 to add black bands on either side of the image horizontally and make it up to a ratio of 16:9 at 1280x720 with suitable software?
One sees 4:3 set onto a 16:9 anamorphic frame in films and on TV quite frequently.
PAL 4:3 is 768x576 (it is not 720x576 after you make the aspect ratio 1.000)
PAL 16:9 is 1048x576
NTSC 4:3 is 656x480 (it is not 720x480 after you make the aspect ratio 1.000)
NTSC 16:9 is 874x480
I do not recommend resizing a miniDV resolution to bigger than its native resolution because this has a toll on the quality.
Might be worth making a short "slide show" video with some 1600X1200 photos at 1280x720 and see how it turns out.
What about data rate: is it worth going over 2000 kbps if the video is only intended to be uploaded to vimeo?
Many thanks Eugenia.
The result shows no noticable loss of quality over the orginal, but video files at that spec would be very large for uploading - maybe around 30 MB per minute of footage.
I wont upload anything like that just now, perhaps we can wait for any developments on the 1048x576, 720x576 or 720x480 DVD quality HD request... a "slide show" video using JPEG's at a low bit rate, of say 1000 kbps, at 1280x720 still seems to be a possibility...
No need to reply here with it btw, this thread had a particular purpose and this is an isolated issue.
It will still not deinterlace mpeg-2's, in fact it appears to struggle slightly to encode them to H.264 on my machine, but it handles an imported progressive or deinterlaced mpeg-2 just fine.
Thanks for your continued and valuable advice, 4Moorhens2.
- PROYECT PROPERTIES: 720x576 / Par 1.4568 / Pal Dv / 25fps /interpolate fields / Lower field first / best rendering quality ?
- EXPORT: 880x 480 (or 1048 x 576) /Par 1.000 /25 fps / deinterlace / progressive scan / bit rate ~4.000 kbps ?
The orginal avi file plays the full video perfectly, but it seems that SUPER will not deinterlace this one section. I'm referring to my latest video during the night vision section: vimeo.com/1022863
If you have the chance to suggest anything to me it will be greatly appreciated.
Your tutorials are incredibles! Awesome!
I´m from Argentina, and now i´m encoding from DVpal to HD with the program you recomend: SUPER. Excelent!
Now i want to know if with "SUPER" can i encode an HDV video (1080 x 1440, 50i, of Sony Z1) to HD for vimeo. And how?
Because i´ve Windows, so with PREMIERE it make me a TOO HEAVY video (i read you tutorial for this.)
I think this program SUPER is better and easyer for encode than Premiere media encoder.
Can you help me to do this with the SUPER?
Thanks a lot! You are great!
eugenia.gnomefiles.org/images/super-720p.png
Sorry, no Spanish, I am Greek.
Fabulous!
When i have all right, i sent you my webpage for show you.
Bye
Saludos!
Tomás
Buenos Aires, Argentina
880x480 gives an aspect ratio of 1.833:1, whereas 16:9 should give 1.7778.
If i multiply 480 by 1.7778, i get about 853... so shouldn't the size be around that, not 880?
i have NTSC, and my project settings are 720x480 with 1.2 pixel ratio interpretation (I use a crappy sony DVD camcorder so i have to demux it, convert the ac3 to mp3, then link it again in premiere pro).
how come the horizontal resolution is 880?
As for color grading, I am using any tools that will help me. From freeware plugins, to built-in Vegas, to commercial Magic Bullet. There's not a "single" color grading you apply, each scene is different and you have to improvise each time.