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Rick Casey
I didn't see any support for Closed Captioning. This is a feature which is dear to me since most of my family is deaf and it would make sharing of our videos a fullfilling experience for them. So far, Google Video has a limited implementation and even what little is there, it is a huge step forward towards sharing our experience.
Thanks
Rick.
Blake Whitman Staff
Hi Rick, I think we will have to leave this feature to the users themselves for the foreseeable future. Since this is a sharing site, if those who you are sharing with need CC then it best left to those who are interested in that service and can do it manually for the individuals who are sharing with each other.
Fernando Secco
It's such an easy feature... JW Player does this with an XML file linked to the video.
Youtube is a "home video" site, so it doesn't even need it that much. But here we're publishing our artwork, mostly. Prrety importante to have subs support.
Rick Casey
Thanks for the reply. Bundling the Text within the HD Video would be a solution, but when it is being resized for different resolutions, the text would either be incredibly small at YouTube resolutions or uncomfortably big at 1080p resolutions. Having a text solution wthin the actual service that overlays the video at the timecodes would be great since it doesn't mar the original video feed.
Thanks again for the quick reply. This is a great site as it has great HD support and a sharp player.
Brian Lancaster
I also need captioning for my uploaded videos. I know it's not common for internet streaming videos, but if it looks like there's any possibility it would sure be nice. I also have a lot of family and friends who are deaf. I don't know how google video does it, but it definitely expands the accessibility of viewers to a crowd of people that love visual stimulation.
I've only been a member a few days, REALLY love the site and am totally addicted. CC is a revolutionary thing to provide support for, maybe there's a 3rd party downloadable program for adding CC that can be switched on and off within the vimeo player?
Blake Whitman Staff
To be very honest until the demand for a feature like this increases, we probably won't have the time to develop it. I would suggest that you guys take the initiative yourself, put in subtitles, and share the videos with your friends and family.
Brian Lancaster
Thank you, appreciate the suggestion and totally understand the lack of demand. I'll subtitle them and see if I can bring some viewers to vimeo!
Blake Whitman Staff
Sounds great!
Spacevidcast Plus
I need to add my voice in here. I use Google Video because of its CC feature, and more specifically the ability to add CC data in multiple languages. The nice thing is that there is a standard that can be followed so once you parse the file you should be able to put up any language needed.
There are two reasons I like this:
1 - Google is able to parse the CC data and search against it. If you offer this up for videos with CC data in it the hits for these videos would increase on Google. I see a radically huge increase in traffic for the videos with CC data... from only a couple thousand hits to tens of thousand hits for the same video with and without CC data.
2- I have a worldwide audience that speaks many different languages. By having a few translators I'm able to offer my videos to a much wider audience base.
I understand the need to dedicate engineering resources, but since so few file sharing sites have this option and it can be a deal breaker for some, I would encourage you to take a closer look at CC.
Colette M. Barry
I'm hearing impaired and is developing yoga programs for people like me. Was thinking about inserting an
interpreter within my screen. A video within a video.
InsProductions
That's a feature I'd need too: I am italian, my actors speak italian, but we have friends all over the world who speak english, and I'd love to have "soft subs" function to let them enjoy our work at the best
Colette M. Barry
Thanks Spacevidcast ..
I'll check them out.
Paweł Piskorski
I sigh the request for the Closed Captioning / subtitles with both my hands. Many people from all over the world would love Vimeo even more for being able to sub their non-english films. Is such feature that hard to implement?
Mutcluck
I have a feeling youtube and google's recent addition of thought bubbles, captioning, and tagging with links was in development for a long time. But maybe I'm wrong. I think its a very cool function beyond the hearing impaired and translation functionality.
In the long run, I think live im-ing and captioning feeds will be a way that some people communally take in content. Not just the creator will have comment/captions to add, but people can subscribe or choose to see other peoples comments.
Meta layers of commentary. I think it will be a new reason to watch an "awful" show if you can subscribe to an amusing person's commentary, or watch with friends "live" or with your friend's commentaries/footprints turned on. Your friend can leave you jokes and comments specifically for you. Imagine a sad part of show coming on... and your friends comment pops up and says: Admit it John, you're crying like a little girl... so did I.
You'll see this emerging in the next couple years and part of the public space in 5 or 6 years. Comments function in this way on youtube, but you can't properly get rid of the chatter that you don't want ie the Hatred and spammers.
Privately Public commentary is the wave of the future.
It's also part of the future of advertising... everything on screen should have a link.. and or a for sale link, whenever you press pause. Some people may choose to have the links always be present ( for certain products they are looking to buy ie shoes) even when its live because they choose to see what is being sold on any given show. Sex and the City would have been great for this model. Privately Public commentary and feeds also has the facebook related business model. Friends and connections that buy or recommend trends can move product and generate revenue.
Imagine shows generating a true average revenue per view by selling real product and only subsidized by ad revenue, rather than being a primarily eyeball/ad revenue system with minor amounts of paid for product placement and branding that exists today.
VIDEOHOOD Plus
Wow! that's a great view of where online video is going to!
That's yet another way of making online videos more participatory and on a basic level to provide subs to other languages.
I really would like to see that kind of inplamentation here at Vimeo
Alicia
I am a web designer who works with many organizations serving the deaf and hard of hearing population. If you were to add captioning functionality similar to Google Video, I wouldn't hesitate to highly recommend your service to those organizations. The combination of HD video capability (for crisp sign language) and captioning would make Vimeo the definitive go-to place for those organizations -- instead of Google Video.
walt
sorry to be an ass, but youtube does it.
Andreas Hornig
hi,
when I see this thread and this here vimeo.com/forums/topic:6636
I think there is a demand for subtiles/closed captioning
;)
Eee Jay
Hey.
This is a basic accessibility requirement. Veoh could really rock the world if they offered this. It is gold for hearing impaired folks.
Perrone Ford
Compliance with Rule 508 in video is something I deal with daily.
First, there is no such thing as closed captioning on the web. It does not exist. What does exist is open captioning and timed text display.
While some video formats support captioning and timed text display, not all video does. I've used it or some work that I've presented with Windows Media Player.
For Vimeo's part, the engineering is not that big a deal. It's likely the software they use could already support the timed captioned files they need. As anyone knows who's done this work, the REAL task is getting the transcript done and timed. This would be an impossible task for the staff of Vimeo, but if the user community wanted to submit the timed files, the rest of the process could likely be automated.
Blake, what do you think? Would you guys be willing to give this a whirl if the software you had could do this seamlessly with a few mods to the encoding program? I don't remember what you guys are running on the back end to do your encoding, but I'd be willing to do some legwork on it.
It might help me at work as well, so I'm willing to give it a try.
VIDEOHOOD Plus
I totally agree that Vimeo should just provide a way for the users to upload the "timed text" to their videos...
That's more than enough from Vimeo's part and users should provide the texts themselves
Michael Leverett Plus
Here is a website that I've used to assist with captioning for flash using customized skins. Vimeo simply needs to look at how Adobe does it and/or this company. By the way, this is one of the cheapest ways to get your video captioning. It is not as accurate as a premium service but it's not bad:
captionsync.com/
click on resources
Michael Leverett Plus
By the way, I need this badly. Most of my work needs to be 508 compliant. Trying using your video editing titling program to produce open captioning...render...render...render...type...listen...type... it is a nightmare from a production stand point.
jparryhill
Here's one more vote for adding captioning/subtitling support to Vimeo's Flash player.
Keeping the text as data, rather than rendering it on the frames, would allow Vimeo to index the captions as part of search. Result: more relevant searches.
Gentlemanhog Plus
And another support for closed captioning on Vimeo, please! I do a lot of work in local government and we are bound by accessibility guidance that means I have to supply closed captions / subtitles wherever possible.
That means Google Video for now. I could use YouTube, but we have had a bad experience of inappropriate 'related' videos being shown next to a video for a schools project.
I really like Vimeo and would love to see support for CC. I'm happy to beta test!!
Trading Visions
I'm hearing impaired so I'm hoping this feature will be added as soon as possible. It's really important for accessibility. Incidently, you can stop YouTube coming up with related videos when you embed them. Just add "&rel=0" after the video ID number in the embed code. It's a pain though, as you have to do it for each one.
Gentlemanhog Plus
Thanks for that hint about the YouTube related stuff. I'll try it on another project as the people who's project it was are not for changing! :)
internetsubtitling
Hi all. Please put me down as another vote for a proper closed captioning feature.
Around one in seven people have some kind of hearing loss. The number of people trying to watch your videos in a difficult environment (too noisy or too quiet) must be at least the same again. And that's before you go into the massive issue of translation subtitling, which opens videos up for billions of people.
If you're not detecting a demand, it's probably because the massive number of people who need a closed captioning feature just don't come to Vimeo, they go to Google or YouTube where they can get closed captioning. Which is a terrible shame, cos you kick both those sites' asses in every other conceivable way.
I'm starting up an internet captioning/subtitling company, and I'd really like to be able to recommend that my clients host their videos with you. At the moment I can't, and that seems a shame.
If you need any help testing or developing, or any advice on what formats of caption file to support etc., give me a yell.
Open Publishing Lab Plus
+1
Our research lab (The Open Publishing Lab), is located at the Rochester Institute of Technology. RIT shares a campus with the National Technical Institute for the Deaf, so our audience includes both hearing and deaf individuals.
It's a catch-22. We of course want to make our videos available to deaf and hard of hearing students. But we do not want to edit text overlays directly into the video, as not all viewers will want them. For now, we include transcripts with some of our videos. This is less than ideal for either party.
We are very happy with Vimeo's service, but are disappointed that Vimeo does not have any closed captioning support - especially considering that YouTube already does.
Karlon Cromwell Plus
See the thing that Staff might be missing here... Is not everyone wants to see CC, so the ability to turn it off should be available.
For example when I watch movies I turn on Subtitles just to know exactly what I may have missed. The thing is if someone else is watching they are 9 times out of 10 asking me to turn it off (I guess it can be distracting).
So yes we can add manually, but what if some of our viewers don't want to see it, there should be an option to turn off or on.
U.S. Army
We would love to add captions too for 508 compliance, but understand the complications behind developing it. Thanks, Vimeo!
Fergus Ray Murray
This is another cry out for captioning/subtitle support. Uploading whole separate versions of a video when you're potentially getting it translated into half a dozen or more languages is a hell of a slog! And we really want all the versions on the same page, anyway, for sundry good reasons. Not to mention the advantages relating to search, etc., of having transcriptions visible along with videos.
I see that CS3 has captioning support, might this be helpful at all?
digital-web.com/articles/captions_flash_video/
Tom Fuller Plus
Not sure from this thread if you have already developed closed captioning - but - we are coming from Google Video (which just stopped accepting new videos). Thanks to closed captioning our videos are viewed over 1,500 times a day. Google indexes those captions and they become a way for people to find our videos. Would LOVE to see this feature on Vimeo for our church videos.
Namics. PRO
Oh, there's a W3C XML standard for captioning called DFXP. XML is easy to import into Flash. There are also free tools to create DFXP captions. You can crowdsource captioning: just provide an upload interface to add DFXP to videos, so anybody can caption any video. Then add a rating or "report spam" feature to ensure the quality of the captions. That's not rocketscience, and your competitors have something similar already.
OMF Media Plus
We'd be interested in multi-language subtitles on the videos, we currently author DVDs with about 6-8 subtitle versions in European and East Asian languages.
tonygil
multilanguage subtitles would be the only major missing feature, in my opinion (REPLACING VIDEO rules). My films go to 10 different countries, including the Far East, and they are spoken in 5 or 6 different languages... we have the (wo)manpower to translate them, all we need is the platform. do that, and i will be Vimeo PLU$$$ customer.
internetsubtitling
Stopping by to let you Vimeo folks know that we haven't forgotten. :)
Also to let you know that blip.tv, iTunes, YouTube and GoogleVids all now have a closed captioning feature. As Namics says, adding the ability to use .SRT files, .SUB files or DFXP (Timed Text XML) files is simple in the grand scheme of things. Hell, there are users here who could help you with it. And in the meantime you are losing ground to vastly inferior competitors, which bugs seven shades of hell out of me cos I'm a Vimeo fan.
Allowing yourselves to be beaten on this issue is frankly silly, because on every other criterion you're absolutely the best video hosting site in the world. But for millions of users (yes, that's right, MILLIONS - about 35 million deaf/hard of hearing in the US, 9 million in the UK, for a start) you are simply not an option on account of lack of closed captions. I remain bewildered by your position on this.
Come on, Vimeo. Catch up with the rest of the world.
Eric Stoller
It seems that Vimeo doesn't care. It's too bad.
Jared Lyon
Yes, please bring captioning to Vimeo! YouTube's captioning feature works great, you can just turn them on if you need them, but if you don't need them, you don't have to have them overlayed on the video (potentially lessing the experience for hearing people). Just support adding in an SRT or SUB file. Easy enough.
Juuso Hepoharju Plus
CC would be great to have on Vimeo, I am new here and the first I was looking for was CC. I make Permanent subs to my videos because the content I make is not English. CC would help to make subs in English, Swedish and Finnish for those who can't hear anything.
Stumpy Moose
Bump. I love what you've done with Vimeo, but lagging behind on CC is a big fail. It's totally not hard.
Western Washington University Plus
I work at a university where we strive to make every video accessible with CC. We have recently discovered Vimeo as an excellent solution for some of our longer videos. Please, please consider adding this functionality to Vimeo. Making content accessible is NOT a frivolous feature!
Burak Soysal
here is another support for CC
Eric Stoller
I think that the demand for closed captioning exists as it would benefit everyone in terms of accessibility and search engine optimization. I have been a huge fan of Vimeo, but it looks like I will have to transition to YouTube as the majority of my videos need to be Section 508 compliant due to accessibility requirements at my university. It really is the right thing to do...it would benefit Vimeo...I am surprised at the resistance to closed captioning from Vimeo.
Standards Suck
Yeah, we are in the same boat here. Our audience, although small, keeps asking for captions. I will also have to move back to YouTube it seems :(
TLT at Penn State
There is a way to create open captions on a mac if you have MovCaptioner and QT Pro. MovCaptioner will help you to create an embedded text track in your movie. After it imports the text track you must re-export (note - don't just do a save as, but export) to a new movie and the captions will be combined with the video track. A trial version of MovCaptioner can be downloaded at synchrimedia.com
Zemedia
I recently joined Vimeo Plus and just assumed that closed captioning would be available. My clients require closed captioning and I would like to use Vimeo to do this.
Vimeo's request for notice of increased demand is a little disingenuous. The fact that YouTube are doing this should be sufficient indication that this service is needed.
DoDEA
I echo the request - ability to display our CC is critical for the videos we produce.
Amanda Amaral
Vimeo is a website acessed from all over the world, and it's purpose itself is supposably coherent with an worldwide proportion trade of information and knowledge. The CC feature needs to be offered. It does not make any sense for us to have to upload 3 times the same video with different subtitles.
I obviously strongly support the request.
Toon Van de Putte
The lack of closed captioning support is the reason we are not using Vimeo at the moment. I'm rather disappointed that Vimeo values accessibility so lightly, especially considering the limited effort required to implement TimedText captions.
I have ca. 30 videos with TimedText XML captions. We now host these ourselves with JW Player, which is a less than ideal solution. This is high quality video we want to offer to a broad audience.
YouTube isn't really an option because their video player, ironically, isn't accessible to blind people.
Frankly, I find it kind of cynical to point to 'lack of demand' for not supporting this. You want more deaf people? Do you consciously ignore the international audience? This feature is fairly easy to implement and is of huge benefit to international audiences, search indexing and, of course, the hearing impaired.
Basically, you're turning away the possibility of adding a time-coded, (almost) word for word transcript to a large portion of videos on Vimeo.
Hidden Frontier
I'm not particularly bothered about the terminology used but very much support the ability to be able to add at least one language if not many against a video.
Not only is this needed for multilanguage support but for deaf and hard of hearing. It's also a vicious circle, if subs are not supported, those people will not frequent the site. Very often a site like this will be useless to these potential viewers.
Without this capability, there's a vast audience being cut off.
22frames.com
I'm a co-developer of 22frames.com ( 22frames.com/suggest.aspx ). The grand goal of the service is to index every (public) captioned/subtitled video on the Internet. We are all aware that captioned/subtitled videos are scattered across the Internet on multiple video hosts – generally mixed with the billions of other videos. More here: ( 22frames.com/aboutus.aspx ).
While we have not yet looked at specific approaches to automatically collect captioned/subtitled videos from Vimeo (we are in very early beta and there are many hosts), we are accepting submitted links from multiple video hosts. This includes Vimeo. We are therefore inviting anyone that wants to share videos to explicitly submit them here: ( 22frames.com/suggest.aspx ). Who knows, it may even increase Vimeo's interest in this area.
asiTV
Has there been any updates on this? I work at CSU Pomona and we have to be 508 compliant. We just started producing more videos and have plans to increase this further. Vimeo is vastly superior to other video hosting sites, yet I will be forced to use something like YouTube because they have some semblance of a CC service.
I also think it's strange that there hasn't been a staff response about this topic for 2 years. Is there some work being done on this or not?
Soxiam Staff
no, not yet. it's something we haven't been able to work on yet.
Eric Stoller
Google just announced that they are providing auto-captioning for YouTube videos... Vimeo is getting even further behind in this area.
ericstoller.com/blog/2009/11/28/google-adds-auto-captioning-to-youtube/
Joe Clark
Staff responses here show they haven’t investigated the technical aspects. No user can simply upload a captioned or subtitled video (those are two separate things, and you can have both at once) and just expect it to work.
Tell me, Vimeo staff: What exact formats do you support? Where in the player do I turn captioning and/or subtitling on and off? (Is that keyboard-accessible, or do I have to be completely undisabled apart from a hearing impairment in order to use it?)
Various commenters’ claims that captioning is straightforward and really no trouble whatsoever are false.
Reel Social Media Plus
I worked as a closed captioning editor for 2 years.
While translating dialogue and sound into words can be complicated, embedding that text in video content is not.
That process was standardized by the FCC in 1976.
(Search Google or Wikipedia for "Line 21" if you want more technical info.)
ALL major video encoding formats--Flash, Quicktime, WMV, AVI, OGG, etc.--support closed captions.
Vimeo took their stand two years ago (via Blake Whitman):
"Until the demand for a feature like this increases, we probably won't have the time to develop it."
And Soxiam's post two weeks ago makes it clear that is still their position today.
If you want closed captions, make more deaf people.
Joe -
Thanks for pointing out that the is a difference between closed captions and subtitles. It is important.
To build on your point:
Closed captions are for the hearing impaired. They attempt to textually communicate dialogue and audio:
NEO: AM I THE ONE?
[TRINITY YAWNS]
Subtitles are for viewers that hear fine but don't understand the language spoken in the film. In subtitles, there is no need to identify Neo as the speaker or point out that Trinity is still audibly bored because the viewer can hear that it is Neo speaking and Trinity yawning. The subtitles for the same dialogue would look something like this (if they were in English):
- Am I the one?
Though Vimeo behaves equally indifferently towards viewers who don't speak English and those that are hearing impaired, they are not the same people.
Dave Dugdale Plus
I would like to see captions available on Vimeo like they are on YouTube. It would be a great feature.
Joe Clark
Reel Social Media vastly underestimates the real-world technical complexity of serving genuine closed captions in innumerable video formats in a way that is itself accessible.
This is not an excuse for Vimeo to do nothing, which is all it is currently doing.
DHP Multimedia Plus
I would also like to see CC in Vimeo as my clients and friends are from around the world or are hearing impaired. I am sure that in time, that will happen, hopefully.
Tassos Manolis
I like to see CC captions 2 ...I have many ppl who did'n know any english very well ...a system like dotsub.com or Ted.com will be great :)
jamminalley
One more shout out for closed captioning. I create materials for second language learners who want/need the option of CC to support their comprehension. If Vimeo implemented this feature, I predict there would be a lot more traffic (and plus+ subscriptions) from people working in language instruction.
Jane Callaghan
+1 for the captions support
União Espírita Mineira
+1
TFANet Plus
another +1 for caption support. I think you would find a lot more businesses buying a Plus account to pay for that option.
barthelemy glumineau
+1
Deborah Edwards-Onoro
What is the latest word on captioning and transcripts for Vimeo videos?
Enno Ladwig Plus
i would like to see this too!
tbs
I work for a school and would love to use Vimeo, but need to comply to 508.
silomedia Plus
508!
VisualBox Plus
+1
ECB Plus
Considering using Vimeo Plus for educational multimedia project BUT unsure because of CC.
Please add CC.
Trinity Baptist Church Plus
+1
I would love that.
I can't believe YouTube offers CC for FREE! I wish there were some kind of YouTube plus user :/
Cliff Tam
+1
I like CC too :)
NoNameVimeo
+1
Chris Boosalis Plus
+1
Youtube has it - our turn, Vimeo.
Juan Ulloa
+1.
I would guess that Vimeo would get alot more business from a growing group of organizations interested in accessible web communications if they added CC feature.
WestreamU Plus
+1 (primarily on behalf of all with hearing challenges)
StoryCorps Plus
We would love to be able to upload a timed caption file as well. No need for automatic translation or any of that stuff, just a simple .srt or xml file would do.
Will Burdette Plus
Ditto. Work for a school. Need to be 508 compliant. Please add quickly or I'll have to reluctantly go back to YouTube.
U of A Animal Science Plus
I also need 508 compliant video. Please add, so I don't have to go to YouTube!
Gabor Kukucska Motion Pictures
1+
Matthieu Herblin Plus
Could any member of the Vimeo Staff tell us what is the current situation concerning Closed Captioning ?
Apparently, you've been considering adding it for quite some time now, but it's still not available.
Just look at the number of people asking for it.
It is not a function of secondary importance. We really NEED it.
Please, work on it.
Michael Leverett Plus
As a PLUS member, I would even pay more for this feature. Vimeo would have more non profit organizations using this if compliance could be accomplished!
Alan Stuart
I NEED THE FEATURE... we're hosting an international film festival, most of the film submissions are from the Middle East (and uploaded onto youtube), but they should be seen by the world. Unfortunately YouTube offers a great caption/translation feature.
Plus, it's nice if it's your native language you can turn off captions (like a DVD). no one likes seeing captions if you can understand the audio. you can't help but read.
please implement,
-A
Brown PAUR Plus
As a university, we would very much like to see this feature. We are currently looking to discontinue using Vimeo for video hosting because Vimeo does not support closed captioning.
Andrew Grimm
I assumed that Vimeo would support closed captioning, and was unpleasantly surprised when I found out it didn't.
Hamish Maclaren
closed captions can be added to vidoes on YouTube and dotsub.com. You can also make the caption file in the free software program Magpie. I find it workswell. But where else can you post videos and add captions? Is there any other site availabe? DailyMotion or MotionMaker??
BlightProductions Plus
Plus 1 for captions support. Vimeo would be surprised at how big the deaf community really is. I wonder if it just something that they don't know how to do and can't afford to hire a programmer capable of it. Bummer.
Daniel Geiger
It has been 3 years that Vimeo hasn't added caption. Come on! Deaf, hard of hearing, hearing loss, foreign and English as a Second Language users need it.
YouTube has closed caption feature. Vimeo is all behind. This is not acceptable.
Matthieu Herblin Plus
I'm aghast at the Vimeo staff's lack of respect towards their users.
You're just ignoring this thread.
You could give us the reason why you can't/don't want to make subtitles available, but no, you just seem to not care at all about the deaf and foreign people.
We're talking to a brick wall.
Kirby Ferguson Plus
+1
Matthieu Herblin Plus
You're right JMJ.
"Could any member of the Vimeo Staff tell us what is the current situation concerning Closed Captioning ?" is the kind of question that needs a month to be answered...
I'm not saying Vimeo isn't a quality website.
I've been using it as a viewer for quite some time now, I just created an account and am going to pay for Vimeo Plus.
So obviously, I like Vimeo.
But on that very subject, subtitles, it's just incomprehensible.
I don't understand why it's not available, since the other video websites support it.
And I don't understand why a member of the Vimeo staff can't just leave a message saying "Hey, we know you want it, it will be available soon" or "Don't bother waiting, we're not even working on it".
I mean, it's been a day since my previous message, I'm assuming it has been read by some members of the staff (two of them posted in the "Feature Requests" section afterwards) and none took a minute to say something.
It kind of confirms my feeling of them ignoring this thread.
townofoceancity Plus
Now that there is a new law concerning "CC" on public tv - we will be needing to use this on all our videos - online/tv. Will need to find another method if Vimeo is not willing to add a CC option.
Karlton Wu
I have the expertise and experience on Closed Captioning.
Maybe Vimeo can hire me as part-time technical consultant. No kidding.
For TV CC, there are CEA608 and CEA708 standards. CC data are embedded in picture user data for MPEG2, and embedded in meta data for HD MXF.
In transport stream, they are encoded in VBI (Line 21) for SD and VANC for HD.
For Webcast Closed Captioning,
RealText for RealPlayer,
SubRip .srt for YouTube,
SAMI for WMP,
QText for QuickTime
CC is treated as a text stream to be sync with Video.
For TV CC, you need a software decoder and parser to overlay CC on image.
For Webcast, you just overlay the text on image.
Our commercial NLE can easily create CC and preview CC.
The Downtown Church Plus
+1
Andrew Pile Staff
I posted this in the Multi-Language Subtitles thread, but I'll repost it here since it's newer. First off, we are committed to having SOME KIND of CC/Subtitling solution next year.
Why have we waited so long to implement captioning? The short answer is we were waiting for someone to solve the many technical issues surrounding it, or at least for a standard to emerge, but that hasn't happened. For more specifics on why we've held off, read on:
1) Many platforms. Vimeo now has multiple Flash players, multiple HTML5 players on multiple platforms ranging from mobile devices to TVs. We want to choose a subtitle system that can work on any platform and any device. Right now that doesn't exist. It's not even close to existing. The problem of subtitles isn't solved by just slapping the Vimeo player in some Flash container-- that's a one-off stop-gap solution and it won't even work with our Universal Player offsite.
2) There is no standard format or support. When we choose a technical format to store and deliver subtitles we need to it be future proof. In many places (such as the iPad, iPhone, and TV) we use a native player. If we want subtitles to work there we need to encode it into the video file. That means if a subtitle changes, we have to go back and change the actual video file. That's not going to work. The ideal solution would be if all these players could read an external file with a standard structure, but that will never happen.
3) There is no 3rd party winner so far. If we go with one of these existing solution we want to make sure it's going to be around for awhile. Right now all the reasonable (as in, will work on Vimeo's scale) CC/Subtitle solutions out there are early stage startups. We would like to see some actual adoption before we choose a partner (if we do). I'd like this feature to work forever once we add it.
4) It's a huge project to build ourselves. Frankly given the technically challenges it will take a long time and we've had more pressing priorities.
5) Adoption will be relatively low. We're a small company and we have to invest our time on features that will be as high-impact as possible. There are some very, very, very important reasons for CC but relative to the other huge projects we could use to grow our business it just doesn't compare. Even after we do implement this I don't think we'll be able to add automatic transcription, it's just too expensive. We're going to have to rely on human transcription. YouTube added automatic transcription because they have been working on translation software for 10 years and they are a SEARCH company. Making video's more indexable helps them sell more ads. That's just not where our priorities lie.
Anyway, that's the update. It will get done, we just want to do it right. Nothing is ever as easy as it seems on the surface.
Matthieu Herblin Plus
Thanks for the heads up Andrew.
I'm happy to know that you are planning on doing it next year (that's a promise, right ?).
Regarding automatic transcription, I think it's not something really important for now. Even if it means a hard and long work to trancript by ourselves, the only thing that matters is the fact that we can provide subtitles to our videos.
Tom Lyons
I agree with your comments on transcription -- I'll do the work, I just want them to show up on Vimeo.
Digiterp Communications
I appreciate the update as well, and agree that the automatic transcription is not a need. That can be done with YouTube.... and then used for creating caption files for other formats.
I look forward to seeing what option you come up with. Even if it is not a perfect one, it will be greatly appreciated by those of us who are waiting eagerly for some type of captioning on vimeo.
dstringham
Has Vimeo staff looked into the universalsubtitles.org project? This seems like a natural fit for the Vimeo ecosystem...
stefhan Plus
@dstringham Great ! Thanks for discovering.
I'm also looking for a captioning's tool and hopes too that Vimeo will integrate this service quickly. Go on ! And make us an awesome tool ;)
Jesus Presley
One of my customers has just signed up for a pro account. We need captions desperately.
Universalsubtitles.org is a promising start, but for embedding videos on our (professional) site the "Subtitle Me" button is too annoying.
What we need is a native captioning / subtitling function within Vimeo.
Greg Gay
I'd also suggest looking at Universal Subtitles (US). I use it to caption all my videos, Youtube, and Vimeo, among others. For the Youtube videos, I typically create the captions in US, export the .srt caption file and upload it to Youtube. For Vimeo video though, I tend to caption the video in US, but instead of adding the captions to the Vimeo video, I copy the US embed script, and embed it somewhere in one of my sites. Unfortunately this does not bring people to vimeo, like it does with youtube.
There are several reasons why I use CC. Being in the accessibility business is one of them, but making videos searchable is another big reason. I know vimeo does not rely on add revenue, and I like that, but including transcripts helps people find video, and ultimately draws more people to the vimeo site, and potentially generates more clients.
I'm happy to see Vimeo is thinking about it. Maybe US can provide a relatively cheap, and quick way to get captioning service available here. Even an option to create the subtitles at US, and an option in Vimeo to switch in the US video player, would provide a good solution requiring minimal effort to implement.
Tom Lyons
For company with such a progressive vibe, I'm surprised at the lack of support -- and understanding -- by Vimeo about improving accessibility for the deaf and hard of hearing vis a vis captioning. I think that is why the law that Obama signed last October (the 21st Century Communication and Video Accessibility Act) -- signed on the 20th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act -- is so important. It will basically create the demand that Vimeo acknowledges it needs to take this issue seriously.
To bad Vimeo doesn't see this as a business opportunity.
Diti Plus
I am adding my vote/support on this point. The superiority of Vimeo in simple video handling has not to be proven any more, yet on cutting-edge features, it is greatly inferior.
I love Vimeo and I am totally sure features like subtitles and 3D handling will attract any videographer left on Youtube because of lack of features on Vimeo's side.
Marcin Szczepanski
I work for a major university in the US and we would like to switch from youtube to vimeo but we are required to have closed captioning in our videos (I suspect that's the case with most colleges and universities). That's really the only issue that holds us back but it's a big one. When can we expect to have CC option on Vimeo?
SeND film tank Plus
Support. Wholeheartedly. Please.
SeND film tank Plus
There is a lot of free software out there to create, for example, srt-coded subtitles, a very simple text-file standard with a timecode, that can then be either read directly by any old javascript or recoded as something else. We are already doing this through the Processing language, in order to control the visual appearance of subtitles more precisely than through the software offered – our staff learned the language and created the software in less than a week. With full appreciation for the increased complexity involved with such an immense amount of material, browser-support etc., it still seems it should be a relatively easy feature to implement. And it would make a lot of people even happier with your otherwise excellent service.
Emmanuel United Methodist Church Plus
We have a large community of deaf and hard of hearing who have been asking for captioning for quite a while now. With our similar sites adding this feature, I don't know why vimeo hasn't added it yet. I love the site, but cc is a must.
Luminous
I do believe that you would find a good deal of unrealized revenue if you were able to add this feature. I for one would like to vote for the addition of this features. I have had several clients that need to meet accessibility requirements and although I find Vimeo the best economical and flexible solution, this is where you guys drop the ball and I am unable to recommend your service. Even if you had to charge additional for the capabilities, I believe many of us would be willing to pay.
Soxiam Staff
There are other threads where we have made our position on this topic a little more clearer. We are interested in building this. It needs to be prioritized and resourced.
Dan Dittmar Plus
I'd love to see cc on Vimeo. While "demand" may seem low for a feature like this, there are 6,000,000 people in the US alone who have high/significant hearing impairment. Outlets for cc content are extremely limited as we all know. If Vimeo could develop a cc/subtitle feature I think it could produce huge benefits for both Vimeo and its devoted community. This is not to mention that one of the beauties of Vimeo is that of a global experience. To share content professionally in this manner the option for subtitles are a must.
Harmony Starr Plus
+1. This feature is essential. Like others have commented, I would also be willing to pay extra for it.
Matt Davis PRO
+1 of course, but here's the other thing I hope Vimeo does that YouTube doesn't, which is that the subtitle tracks can (if the video poster allows it) be downloaded by a viewer, changed and ammended, then *REPOSTED* under a different name (an option for which subtitle track to use).
This is for the 'crowdsourcing' of CC subtitling and translation, so a community can contribute to the wider dissemination of a video by assisting in its subtitling (and translation). The video 'owner' can of course show/hide, delete and lock the subtitle track.
What we don't want, of course, is burned in subtitles. Total anathema.
A subject particularly close to my heart, as I've got four videos to subtitle over the weekend (non English speaking audience having difficulties with strong accents), and the next project needs subtitles in 9 European languages.
At the moment, this stuff has to go to YouTube...
Sketchtravel.tv Plus
+1. I would pay for this feature. It is SO time consuming to add (or amend) subtitles in the video files that I consider switching to another provider, even though I relly like the Vimeo Pro services.
Patrick Davey Tully Plus
There is no built-in functionality to even add closed-captioning! Please add the option for uploaders to add closed-captions to videos and for users to view them if they wish.
This is basic and wouldn't require Vimeo to caption videos themselves, but would be up to each uploader.
Your software needs to be updated with this functionality please, thank you.
L.A. Color Plus
Request first appeared 4 years ago. Until 11 months ago a response by Vimeo staff promised the feature within next year. What's the status now?
Bhajana Yogam Plus
It has been a year since Andrew posted that captions will be implemented next year. Any progress?
Soxiam Staff
Not yet. Sorry for the delay. CC is one of the largest and most important projects we will take on in 2012.
Gary Morin
Indeed, this thread is now four years old, and suddenly it's "one of the ... most important projects (Vimeo) will take on in 2012." What took so long and what suddenly make it one of the most important?
josh libby
Hi -- I was really hoping to enjoy this video about 60 Hudson, and had never used Vimeo and I couldnt find any options on here -- I know the creator is responsible for captions, and all that, but I guess I am just chiming in and putting in my vote that Vimeo needs to comply with accessibility standards and regulations, not only because its required but because its common sense. The baby boom generation is on the brink of retirement, and thats going to include a lot of folks with hearing difficulties, if that helps you seal the deal. Regards, Josh
IHC New Zealand Plus
any word on this? sorry just saw the comment above
Soxiam Staff
As I said above, it's a project we will be working on in 2012.
http://designguru.org PRO
Shame to see the requests for this feature taking what, over 2 years for you guys to implement... I *love* vimeo and we have a huge project that would be perfect for your new PRO account but we're going to need CC support and will likely not want to move away from another solution like ooyala once we've gotten tons of videos uploaded and transcoded...
Social Media Ninjas PRO
This is an important feature and as PRO users we eagerly await its implementation.
Intuitive Analytics PRO
+1
3Play Media
You can add closed captions and subtitles to Vimeo using the 3Play Media captions plugin: 3playmedia.com/interactive/captions-plugin/
Public Library Association (PLA) PRO
Thank you for bringing your service and captions plugin to our attention.
Gary Morin
What's really sad is that captioning - open and closed - has been around since 1973. If Julia Child and national football games could be captioned regularly ever since then, there's no reason for a commercial company to disregard an entire community, ethically or fiscally.
The first Vimeo response, four years ago, with carefully selected words which suggested that Deaf people and their friends and family do it themselves was a real spin doctoring of blowing off the very valid issue and request. Let's hope that once Vimeo does finally do it, they do it right.
Steve Savage
I've run into the CC issue as well, with my significant other being deaf. We do look at a lot of videos without dialogue together, but unfortunately can't share in about 90% of the other content in here because of lack of subtitles. I think that it would be nice if people offered subs with their videos, but I've been as guilty as the next person about not uploading my videos with subtitles, and only having them on my computer at home. (File upload limit for free users.) It'd be nice if Vimeo had a moderated approval process for duplicate videos with CC that didn't eat into your weekly upload limit for those of us who are hard of hearing or deaf. Just an idea.
DU
For everyone who cares about captioning: How about more of you switch to using YouTube videos that already has support for captions? That way Vimeo would lose more customers and finally do something about it.
Eric Stoller wrote his newest blog:
insidehighered.com/blogs/dear-vimeo-patience-isnt-option
He says: "Vimeo has been talking about captioning functionality for at least four years. Unfortunately, talk is cheap when you can't hear."
Let's follow his lead and switch from Vimeo to YouTube.
DU
Also, YouTube recently added new features:
youtube-global.blogspot.com/2012/02/captions-for-all-more-options-for-your.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+youtube%2FPKJx+%28YouTube+Blog%29
Including automatically pulling out captions from DVDs and VHS tapes:
"Many of the DVDs and VHS tapes lying around in our vaults and attics--particularly those that were produced by governments and others that care about accessibility of their videos--already have Closed Captions embedded in them. Pulling that information out automatically and making it visible on YouTube means that these videos will continue to be accessible to new generations of viewers."
DU
YouTube is already years ahead of Vimeo, and let's take advantage of their great and useful features.
david liu Plus
2 thoughts:
1) For Vimeo - please add! :)
2) For others - remember, Vimeo has cool features youtube doesn't :)
Best,
David
Columbia College Chicago Plus
I would really, really like it if Vimeo supported subtitles/closed captioning. This would make Vimeo my only choice for sharing videos online, no doubt about it.
Aron Matschulat Aguiar
If CC comes this year, ill be PLUS again :)
Macmillan Cancer Support PRO
Yes, CC is really high priority for us, as well. It would change the way we use vimeo (and the scale). In fact I'm very surprised vimeo hasn't prioritised this more as a feature to make video more accessible.
We would be mainly interested in uploading our own caption files (xml format), not automatic transcription.
Brand Cool Marketing PRO
We had been planning to use Vimeo for a project we're undertaking on behalf of a client who's an agency of NY state. Section 508 compliance is a non-negotiable, absolute requirement for all digital work done on behalf of the state of NY.
Unless we can produce closed-captioning that meets with the approval of their accessibility team, we will not be able to use Vimeo.
Jonathan Hanke Plus
+1 for adding closed-captioning. I am starting a large conference video project where the conference organizer is unable to hear spoken words, and so closed-captioning is very important for us. I hope that your work to support this feature is going well -- it will be wonderful to have! =)
Brian Trager
I am deaf and find subtitles very useful in many videos. I currently have a tech blog and while all of my videos are in sign language, I do provide subtitles for the hearing folks. While I just started using Vimeo a few weeks ago and really enjoy the clean interface that it provides when comparing to YouTube, I am hesitant to become a PRO member until I see this implemented. I want to use Vimeo exclusively so I hope to see this wonderful feature in the near future.
Instructure PRO
+1. it is 2012. any updates on timing? We work with education so CC is a must-have. Don't want to go back to YT but might have to...