• Juan Ramos 2 months ago
    Ok, so I'm writing a script for my new movie and I'm almost done. As I'm sitting on the computer I'm thinking, "WHat the hell am I going to shoot it on?"....so i look online for a nice camera, under 1000 bucks, that I could use. I find a TON of cameras that are supposedly good, but I soon refine my search and I am torn between two apparently AWESOmE cameras: HV20 and HF10...I'M NOT SURE WHICH TO CHOOSE!....I have seen the specs for both cameras, but I can't decide which to choose from.... does anyone have an idea?....My movie is mainly going to be in dark areas with little light. Its not going to be in many bright areas....also as a side note its going to be part of my portfolio that I will be giving NYU, Tisch School of the Arts, so HIGH quality is a must!!!!......Finally I have read somewhere that If i want quick editing i should get the HV20, but if I want slow editing I should get the HF10, or something like that.....so if anyone can help that would be GREAT!!
    Juan
    P.S I run OSX, a Mac, so if you know any good editing software that willl be good to know too....I currently have Final Cut Express 3.5.1 but I dont think I can edit AVCHD
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru 2 months ago
    Canon HV20 or HV30. They are still, after a year, the cameras with the best quality, even compared to the newest consumer AVCHD full HD cameras. Their reign will be over next year, but for now they are still the best.
  • Juan Ramos 2 months ago
    how sure are you of this?....and does this technically mean that the HF10 isnt that great, even with accessories such as a wide angle lens or other types of lenses.....finally, what will come next year?...THANK YOU SOOO MUCH FOR YOUR REPLY
  • Juan Ramos 2 months ago
    Oh and One more thing, I was looking around the site and I saw that you gave advice on how to edit the footage. In the advice you said that Final Cut Express doesn't support 24p editing. Now, when i looked at the specs of these cameras I saw that they shot in 24p mode. I run Final Cut Express 3.5.1, will there be a problem with editing, I really want it to stay in 24p....Thank you for your reply.

    The Novice Filmmaker
    Juan
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru 2 months ago
    Juan, FCE does not support TRUE 24p. The Canon consumer cameras do not shoot true 24p, but PF24, which has pulldown addition to 60i. These files are compatible wiht FCE. But if you want pure 24p files, after you remove pulldown, FCE won't recognize them as 24p.

    As for the HF10 and HF100 there are footages on the web comparing them, the HV20/30 are still better. I expect AVCHD to be better next year.
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  • Juan Ramos 2 months ago
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  • HG10 Mania 2 months ago
    i can easly say that hf10 is not a great cam . case is very soft and colors not natural. it has very little chip 3.2'', too . i was in japan last week and seller said to me best chose between hv30-hv20-hg10-hf10-hf100 is HG10 ..get it ..
    easy to encode (i am not sure it is easy , still trying to encode my foos , cos' i am not sure what encoder is best? :)))
    anyway i can easly say that recording foos of hv20/hv30 is same like hg10 . cos' both of them have 2.7'' big chip
    it suply 1440x1080 29.97 fps.. when i decide what to buy ..seller made a port connection to show there is no differance betwen hv30 and hg10(meanwhile hv20 not in japan market he only test hv30 and hg10)
    all parameters were same..but remember that hv20 record on raw media and will be a little bit good .. this not cost to pay more money to casette for a little game to play (15casette=40gb hg10)
    if i bought a hf10 i would need a mem card 16gb cost $150 and cam was 800$ . i bought hg10 $550 and a h24 battery $80..cost me $630
    but meanwhile , can suggest you sr11 sony ..really good in macro ..hg10/hv30 has not macro ..
    if i manage to encode my foos i will put a sample to vimeo soon
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  • Perrone Ford 2 months ago
    Juan,

    I am not going to give you any advice about buying the camera, but I am going to say two things here and leave it alone.

    1. Move off FCE into something that will allow you to use decent codecs. The AIC codec in FCE is a waste if you are actually trying to preserve quality for something like a movie.

    2. I saw from your comments that you will be shooting with little light. I don't know how to say this other than to just say it. Don't do this. Your video will look like garbage. If you want to shoot a movie, LIGHT it like a movie. If you want to present this as a reel for film school, rent a camera, shoot a 5 minute concept movie, but get the best actors and equipment you can afford.

    NO good movie is shot with little light. If you've never seen a Hollywood movie production of a night scene, you might be surprised. More often than not, they are shot in the full sun in the middle of the day. When they are actually shot at night, they bring in tens or hundreds of thousands of watts of light so that the image isn't super grainy. And when they shoot, they are on film, or the best HD cameras money can buy. Like the $500k Genesis, or the $250k F35.

    Light your film. You can make it dark in post.
  • Juan Ramos 1 month ago
    Thank you very much, your advice makes sense.....I have always seen the making of so and so movie and I have seen that they use a lot of light.....I guess i never put two and two together....thanks...o and what do you suggest me use instead of FCE?...thanks
    Juan
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  • joseph ornelas 2 months ago
    I agree. Lighting and sound are the most underrated elements in the film production process by newcomers. There are many cheap work arounds if you are working low budget. Hang in there and never give up on filming your vision.
  • Juan Ramos 1 month ago
    Thank you very much Joseph...u'll see my name in Hollywood soon : )
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  • kewagi 1 month ago
    I an only second how important lighting is - and it can be done on the cheap. Go to your local hardware/home improvement store and get some of those:

    foto.dirkhennig.de/img/baustrahler-300.JPG

    (I don't know how those things are called in English, hence the picture) - you get a strong, neutral light that comes on a tripod for a few bucks. Adding light to a scene not only saves your film from looking like crap, it adds a whole new layer of visual possibilities.

    Second, get a good microphone. Never use the built-in mic your cam has, especially if you shoot on tape. Also, get a boom or some other way to get the microphone to where the audio you want to record actually happens.

    And most importantly, keep on filming!
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