Samantha Stone and Ira Victor of TheCyberJungleRadio were intrigued by my article on executive accountability on Enterprise Tech. So Ira Victor, host of the show wanted to discuss the issue with me at a deeper level. It turned out to be a fun conversation as Ira had read a lot of my work and is very knowledgeable about the issues himself. Ira tees up the conversation perfectly by asking where are the CEOs being fired for all the breaches that has been happening all over the place. From there the conversation just flowed. We also talked about CIO/CISO reporting relationships as well as the new breed of CEOs that are needed. We also discussed a lot of my work on the human and leadership aspects of cybersecurity.