Rob Stokes is the very thoughtful Minister of Planning of New South Wales, Australia. This February 2016 video is a 58-minute wide-ranging dialogue between me and Rob (with audience Q&A), focusing on distinctions and overlaps between traditional stakeholder engagement and my outrage management concept. Among the issues discussed: why should organizations engage their stakeholders; telling legitimate from pro forma engagement; telling legitimate from disruptive participation; dealing with "fanatic" stakeholders and their "attentive" followers; engagement fatigue; consulting early on problems versus late on projects; NIMBY; engagement and outrage management via social media; engaging about locally disruptive development projects; and why Australia is especially receptive to the outrage management concept. Near the end (starting at 46:36) I was asked about something completely different: risk communication challenges of the Zika epidemic. The event was sponsored by the GHD consultancy (which had brought me to Sydney for several weeks of work with its clients); GHD's Barbara Campany introduced the panel and GHD's Jill Hannaford facilitated the discussion.