This four part, real-time dialogue between NO!art founder, Boris Lurie, and cultural historian, Estera Milman, took place in 2000 as a documentary component of the National Endowment for the Arts-funded, retrospective exhibition, "NO!art and the Aesthetics of Doom." Curated by Estera Milman, the exhibition opened at the Mary and Leigh Block Museum of Art, Northwestern University, in November 2001. The show was singled out by The Chicago Tribune as the antithesis of "comfort art" in the immediate post 9/11 Chicago artworld and described by the Chicago Reader as "one of the best exhibits of 2001." The video was edited for public viewing in 2011. Part 1 of 4 follows. ©2000/2011 Estera Milman; all rights reserved.