Riffing off a recent celebrated dispute between a fact-checker and a journalist, and considering both non-fiction such as James Frey's A Million Little Pieces and works of fiction using real people, Martin Levin, Books Editor at The Globe and Mail, moderates a conversation between award-winning bestseller, Guy Gavriel Kay, the author of Ysabel and Under Heaven, and Marianne Apostolides, whose latest book, Voluptuous Pleasure: The Truth About the Writing Life, is a collection of non-fiction which states that non-fiction does not exist. Recorded on April 28, 2012.