Michelle Grabner artist and curator of the 2014 Whitney Biennial discusses her work with artist Brad Killam. The discussion is moderated by Patricia Maloney, editor of Art Practical. The conversation focuses on their collaborative work, including The Suburban and Poor Farm, exhibition spaces in Oak Park Illinois and rural Wisconsin. Grabner also discusses her work curatorial work for the 2014 Whitney Biennial and the controversies that arose. The discussion was held at Gallery 16, San Francisco in May 2014.